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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Thu Jan  2 10:56:17 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (bb via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 10:56:17 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Would 19 kHz be possible with T-100 ?
Message-ID: <76edf19f-437a-3ed7-decb-094c2e5a44db@gmail.com>

Dear Naktalkers,

First, Happy New Year to you all and long life to Naktalk.

Here is my "New Year Query": would it be possible to modify the T-100 in 
order to shift the 18 kHz to 19 kHz (for MPX tuning) in the frequency 
generator of the T-100 ?

Thanks for your feedback

Bernard


From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed Jan  8 19:44:14 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (K C via Naktalk)
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 18:44:14 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Cassette Deck Line Voltage Modification
References: <B360D9E9-7E63-415C-A9A6-6AEFD65EE39B@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <6865576B-60D2-4BD6-9927-63796DA39433@hotmail.com>

Nakamichi always made fantastic cassette tape players and I was fortunate to buy a new BX-300 model in 1984. It is serial number 07069 and I still have the unit, even though it has not been used for some years. Now that cassette tapes are making a little comeback, I would like to use my BX-300 once again. 

In the 1990’s, I moved to Europe and converted the BX-300 for 240V operation there. Mine has no line voltage selector switch but I do have the service manual and Nakamichi back at that time told me how to convert from 120V to 240V operation by changing the transformer wire connections inside the unit, as the transformer had the capability for either voltage. So, I changed the black and brown line voltage wires coming from the (front panel) Power Switch PCS Assy that were connected to the black and brown transformer wires (original 120V operation) to instead connect to the gray and red transformer wires for 240V operation. Now that I need to reverse and again use 120V supply, do I reconnect black from the Power Switch PCB Assy to the black transformer wire and brown to brown, i.e., does it matter which transformer wire is connected to hot and which to neutral line wires?

Thank you very much for any helpful information!

Regards,
KC

From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Thu Jan  9 01:09:43 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 00:09:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] RES:  Dragon-NAAC
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References: <1cjgiutn2u63etsfyxu7rrug.1575829583313.ref@email.android.com>
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Message-ID: <43970966.10288083.1578528583289@mail.yahoo.com>

 Your Dragon needs NAAC alignment and Play /Record head alignment as well. This part requires Nakamichi alignment cassettes minimum.if the head alignement is OK and then anything recorded should not cause NAAC motor to reach the end of azimuth ( that is the clicking sound). But if that happens after Head alignment, NAAC alignment had to be carried outkannan
    On Monday, December 9, 2019, 07:44:46 AM CST, Marcelo F Mansour via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:  
 
 
Sure I bought a new Maxell UD-90 and to do a recording and the clicking starts but after some seconds disappears.

  

I recorded both sides with almost no clicking, few seconds only, but when I play the clicking starts again and do not stop anymore………..

  

Rgds,

  

Marcelo

  

De: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> Em nome de josephjean via Naktalk
Enviada em: domingo, 8 de dezembro de 2019 15:26
Para: Marcelo F Mansour via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Dragon-NAAC

  

As you've pointed out, the clicking is from the NAAC.

  

Have you tried to record on the deck?   Does the clicking stop?

  

  

Have you tried known good tapes?  If your 80s version were known good tapes, then you most likely have the NAAC issue of not finding the sweet spot.

  

  

  

Sent from Samsung tablet.



-------- Original message --------
From: Marcelo F Mansour via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> 
Date: 12/8/2019 10:51 AM (GMT-05:00) 
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at lists.naks.com> 
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon-NAAC 

Hi Everybody,

 

I bought recently a Dragon and I picked up some cassettes recorded a few years ago and just recently got around to listening to the music on some of them. 

 

Some of it is pretty good but I'm also getting some clicking from the NAAC on some of the tapes, I stop and use FF and REW and play in reverse mode but the clicking still there.

 

Is this heads misalignment? Tapes were recorded with bad azimuth?

 

My question is...how long can I safely let the NAAC click before stopping the tape? I just didn't want to somehow have it get out of alignment.

 

Just inform you that these tapes are recording in 80’s with Nakamichi BX-2 my first deck.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 



 

 

 

 

 

 
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Thu Jan  9 13:24:28 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 09:24:28 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] RES:  RES:  Dragon-NAAC
In-Reply-To: <43970966.10288083.1578528583289@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1cjgiutn2u63etsfyxu7rrug.1575829583313.ref@email.android.com>
 <1cjgiutn2u63etsfyxu7rrug.1575829583313@email.android.com>
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 <43970966.10288083.1578528583289@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00f701d5c6e7$bff9ecb0$3fedc610$@terra.com.br>

Hi Kannan,

 

Yes I know that and I already schedule a maintenance for my Dragon with Japanese Service Center.

 

Thanks to all for help me in this issue!!!!!

 

Best regards,

 

Marcelo

 

De: kannan srinivasaraghavan <kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com> 
Enviada em: quarta-feira, 8 de janeiro de 2020 21:10
Para: 'josephjean' <josephjean at verizon.net>; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at lists.naks.com>; marcelo.mansour at terra.com.br
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] RES: Dragon-NAAC

 

Your Dragon needs NAAC alignment and Play /Record head alignment as well. This part requires Nakamichi alignment cassettes minimum.

if the head alignement is OK and then anything recorded should not cause NAAC motor to reach the end of azimuth ( that is the clicking sound). But if that happens after Head alignment, NAAC alignment had to be carried out

kannan

 

On Monday, December 9, 2019, 07:44:46 AM CST, Marcelo F Mansour via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Sure I bought a new Maxell UD-90 and to do a recording and the clicking starts but after some seconds disappears.

 

I recorded both sides with almost no clicking, few seconds only, but when I play the clicking starts again and do not stop anymore………..

 

Rgds,

 

Marcelo

 

De: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> > Em nome de josephjean via Naktalk
Enviada em: domingo, 8 de dezembro de 2019 15:26
Para: Marcelo F Mansour via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com> >
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Dragon-NAAC

 

As you've pointed out, the clicking is from the NAAC.

 

Have you tried to record on the deck?   Does the clicking stop?

 

 

Have you tried known good tapes?  If your 80s version were known good tapes, then you most likely have the NAAC issue of not finding the sweet spot.

 

 

 

Sent from Samsung tablet.



-------- Original message --------
From: Marcelo F Mansour via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com> > 
Date: 12/8/2019 10:51 AM (GMT-05:00) 
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com> > 
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon-NAAC 

Hi Everybody,

 

I bought recently a Dragon and I picked up some cassettes recorded a few years ago and just recently got around to listening to the music on some of them. 

 

Some of it is pretty good but I'm also getting some clicking from the NAAC on some of the tapes, I stop and use FF and REW and play in reverse mode but the clicking still there.

 

Is this heads misalignment? Tapes were recorded with bad azimuth?

 

My question is...how long can I safely let the NAAC click before stopping the tape? I just didn't want to somehow have it get out of alignment.

 

Just inform you that these tapes are recording in 80’s with Nakamichi BX-2 my first deck.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 



 

 

 

 

 

 

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Jan 12 05:53:57 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Tom Brucker via Naktalk)
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 22:53:57 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon-NAAC
In-Reply-To: <222560778.6905991.1575829757191@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1cjgiutn2u63etsfyxu7rrug.1575829583313.ref@email.android.com>
 <1cjgiutn2u63etsfyxu7rrug.1575829583313@email.android.com>
 <222560778.6905991.1575829757191@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAAqwSUbzfmuGSBoPJfk9=p5LarKqK=fYumFHvOKN6OJzNTZV3A@mail.gmail.com>

I do not recommend using the deck with continuous clicking. Make sure the
play head is clean. Use strong light and a mirror to check for dirt. Remove
the pad lifter, clean, then reinstall the lifter.

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 3:17 PM Carlos Guzman via Naktalk <
naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

> Your transport needs service. The whole works. You won’t be disappointed.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS>
>
> On Sunday, December 8, 2019, 2:26 PM, josephjean via Naktalk <
> naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>
> As you've pointed out, the clicking is from the NAAC.
>
> Have you tried to record on the deck?   Does the clicking stop?
>
>
> Have you tried known good tapes?  If your 80s version were known good
> tapes, then you most likely have the NAAC issue of not finding the sweet
> spot.
>
>
>
> Sent from Samsung tablet.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Marcelo F Mansour via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Date: 12/8/2019 10:51 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] Dragon-NAAC
>
> Hi Everybody,
>
>
>
> I bought recently a Dragon and I picked up some cassettes recorded a few
> years ago and just recently got around to listening to the music on some of
> them.
>
>
>
> Some of it is pretty good but I'm also getting some clicking from the NAAC
> on some of the tapes, I stop and use FF and REW and play in reverse mode
> but the clicking still there.
>
>
>
> Is this heads misalignment? Tapes were recorded with bad azimuth?
>
>
>
> My question is...how long can I safely let the NAAC click before stopping
> the tape? I just didn't want to somehow have it get out of alignment.
>
>
>
> Just inform you that these tapes are recording in 80’s with Nakamichi BX-2
> my first deck.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
>
>
> [image: MM e-mail logo2]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Jan 13 12:03:47 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Marcelo Mansour particular via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 08:03:47 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] RES:  Dragon-NAAC
In-Reply-To: <CAAqwSUbzfmuGSBoPJfk9=p5LarKqK=fYumFHvOKN6OJzNTZV3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1cjgiutn2u63etsfyxu7rrug.1575829583313.ref@email.android.com>
 <1cjgiutn2u63etsfyxu7rrug.1575829583313@email.android.com>
 <222560778.6905991.1575829757191@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAAqwSUbzfmuGSBoPJfk9=p5LarKqK=fYumFHvOKN6OJzNTZV3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAA800usbiCNNjfbvYcwJz/8BAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAAAy4Dm6RlRTQqOKJFt+no3oAQAAAAA=@terra.com.br>

Hi Tom,

 

Thank you and my Dragon is turn off since start the problem, end of January it will receive a maintenance.

 

Thanks a lot,

 

Marcelo

 

De: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> Em nome de Tom Brucker via Naktalk
Enviada em: domingo, 12 de janeiro de 2020 01:54
Para: Carlos Guzman <mortechpr at yahoo.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] Dragon-NAAC

 

I do not recommend using the deck with continuous clicking. Make sure the play head is clean. Use strong light and a mirror to check for dirt. Remove the pad lifter, clean, then reinstall the lifter.

 

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 3:17 PM Carlos Guzman via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com> > wrote:

Your transport needs service. The whole works. You won’t be disappointed.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS> 

On Sunday, December 8, 2019, 2:26 PM, josephjean via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com> > wrote:

As you've pointed out, the clicking is from the NAAC.

 

Have you tried to record on the deck?   Does the clicking stop?

 

 

Have you tried known good tapes?  If your 80s version were known good tapes, then you most likely have the NAAC issue of not finding the sweet spot.

 

 

 

Sent from Samsung tablet.



-------- Original message --------
From: Marcelo F Mansour via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com> > 
Date: 12/8/2019 10:51 AM (GMT-05:00) 
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com> > 
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon-NAAC 

Hi Everybody,

 

I bought recently a Dragon and I picked up some cassettes recorded a few years ago and just recently got around to listening to the music on some of them. 

 

Some of it is pretty good but I'm also getting some clicking from the NAAC on some of the tapes, I stop and use FF and REW and play in reverse mode but the clicking still there.

 

Is this heads misalignment? Tapes were recorded with bad azimuth?

 

My question is...how long can I safely let the NAAC click before stopping the tape? I just didn't want to somehow have it get out of alignment.

 

Just inform you that these tapes are recording in 80’s with Nakamichi BX-2 my first deck.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 



 

 

 

 

 

 

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Jan 13 14:42:31 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Marcelo Mansour particular via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 10:42:31 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] ENC: Marrs Communication
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAA800usbiCNNjfbvYcwJz/8BAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAACgvPPIgEKxR5/pPNXB426sAQAAAAA=@terra.com.br>

Dear Friends,

 

I just want to inform you that Marrs Communication do not sent the goods to
me yet or give my money back, my order was in July 25th, 2019.

 

My advise is for all friend that Marrs does not intend to do any action as
send the goods after payment or give money back, and any message to me was
sent, because I already sent many e-mails and Marrs Communications does not
answer me back.

 

Then my friends this is an advise for who will intend to buy
belts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüssen,

 

Marcelo F. Mansour

 

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed Jan 15 01:54:16 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (David Patterson via Naktalk)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 11:54:16 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi service in Australia
Message-ID: <020801d5cb3e$5020dec0$f0629c40$@ihug.com.au>

Hiya Naktalk,

Wondering if there is anyone in Australia here, especially Melbourne, who can service/repair Nakamichi decks or refer me to someone who does?

I have a CR7 (240V), a CR7A (110V) and a Dragon (110V), all of which are chewing tapes. They haven't been serviced since I owned them.

I've barely started a large archival project which I need these decks for and I'm not a technician. I can supply the 110V transformer if necessary.

Any suggestions gratefully entertained.

Thank you all kindly.

Cheers, David.
dap at ihug.com.au



From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed Jan 15 10:55:16 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Mikemaxcel via Naktalk)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 10:55:16 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth wire-How to dismantle from the heads base
Message-ID: <CAE8BBeHCof8O+LAta0VAMTgF9gLUub7jjtXp8vEU+NSzt3j3JQ@mail.gmail.com>

How to dismantle the azimuth wire(cable) from the heads base without
damaging?
I have no idea where to start and how to do it in a proper way.
Please advise if you could.
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed Jan 15 22:03:46 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (G. Fisher via Naktalk)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 21:03:46 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi service in Australia
Message-ID: <PS2P216MB04355937F481D951DAE4F4B6AB370@PS2P216MB0435.KORP216.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

G'day David,

About 5 years ago, Russell Storey at Stones Sound Studio in Tyalgum NSW was able to revive my old Nak 480 for me. It wasn't cheap, but he certainly brought it back from the dead.

http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/stone/nakamichi.htm

If you ultimately find yourself short of a working Nak for your project, do let me know, as I have three that do work well and travel to Melbourne fairly regularly. Very happy to help in whatever way I can.



Regards,

Geoff Fisher
Canberra




Sent from Samsung tablet.


-------- Original message --------
From: David Patterson via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Date: 15/1/20 5:44 pm (GMT+10:00)
To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi service in Australia

Hiya Naktalk,

Wondering if there is anyone in Australia here, especially Melbourne, who can service/repair Nakamichi decks or refer me to someone who does?

I have a CR7 (240V), a CR7A (110V) and a Dragon (110V), all of which are chewing tapes. They haven't been serviced since I owned them.

I've barely started a large archival project which I need these decks for and I'm not a technician. I can supply the 110V transformer if necessary.

Any suggestions gratefully entertained.

Thank you all kindly.

Cheers, David.
dap at ihug.com.au


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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed Jan 15 23:22:59 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 08:22:59 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi service in Australia
In-Reply-To: <PS2P216MB04355937F481D951DAE4F4B6AB370@PS2P216MB0435.KORP216.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <PS2P216MB04355937F481D951DAE4F4B6AB370@PS2P216MB0435.KORP216.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <4c891e99-519f-4e03-b975-3b7800972f76@Spark>

I had problems with that one. Take care.

David
On 16 Jan 2020, 7:04 AM +1000, G. Fisher via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>, wrote:
> G'day David,
>
> About 5 years ago, Russell Storey at Stones Sound Studio in Tyalgum NSW was able to revive my old Nak 480 for me. It wasn't cheap, but he certainly brought it back from the dead.
>
> http://www.stonessoundstudio.com.au/stone/nakamichi.htm
>
> If you ultimately find yourself short of a working Nak for your project, do let me know, as I have three that do work well and travel to Melbourne fairly regularly. Very happy to help in whatever way I can.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Geoff Fisher
> Canberra
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Samsung tablet.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: David Patterson via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Date: 15/1/20 5:44 pm (GMT+10:00)
> To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi service in Australia
>
> Hiya Naktalk,
>
> Wondering if there is anyone in Australia here, especially Melbourne, who can service/repair Nakamichi decks or refer me to someone who does?
>
> I have a CR7 (240V), a CR7A (110V) and a Dragon (110V), all of which are chewing tapes. They haven't been serviced since I owned them.
>
> I've barely started a large archival project which I need these decks for and I'm not a technician. I can supply the 110V transformer if necessary.
>
> Any suggestions gratefully entertained.
>
> Thank you all kindly.
>
> Cheers, David.
> dap at ihug.com.au
>
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From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Weegenaar via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 07:56:57 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi service in Australia
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Hi Stones is the name .. I think it is Melbourne

On 15/01/2020 10:54 am, David Patterson via Naktalk wrote:
> Hiya Naktalk,
>
> Wondering if there is anyone in Australia here, especially Melbourne, who can service/repair Nakamichi decks or refer me to someone who does?
>
> I have a CR7 (240V), a CR7A (110V) and a Dragon (110V), all of which are chewing tapes. They haven't been serviced since I owned them.
>
> I've barely started a large archival project which I need these decks for and I'm not a technician. I can supply the 110V transformer if necessary.
>
> Any suggestions gratefully entertained.
>
> Thank you all kindly.
>
> Cheers, David.
> dap at ihug.com.au
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Thu Jan 16 06:04:40 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Marcus James via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 16:04:40 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi service in Australia
In-Reply-To: <020801d5cb3e$5020dec0$f0629c40$@ihug.com.au>
References: <020801d5cb3e$5020dec0$f0629c40$@ihug.com.au>
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Hello David,

A few years ago I had a very drawn out, expensive and ultimately unfulfilling experience with Russell Storey of Stones Sound Studio and a ZX7.
He said he was shutting up shop but I’ve noticed his website is still up. Hard to know what to believe with RS. I certainly would not recommend him.
I live in Sydney and have a Dragon that needs servicing. Let me know if you find someone within OZ and I’ll do the same.

Best regards,
Marcus
marcusrhys.james at bigpond.com <mailto:marcusrhys.james at bigpond.com>

> On Jan 15, 2020, at 11:54 AM, David Patterson via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hiya Naktalk,
> 
> Wondering if there is anyone in Australia here, especially Melbourne, who can service/repair Nakamichi decks or refer me to someone who does?
> 
> I have a CR7 (240V), a CR7A (110V) and a Dragon (110V), all of which are chewing tapes. They haven't been serviced since I owned them.
> 
> I've barely started a large archival project which I need these decks for and I'm not a technician. I can supply the 110V transformer if necessary.
> 
> Any suggestions gratefully entertained.
> 
> Thank you all kindly.
> 
> Cheers, David.
> dap at ihug.com.au <mailto:dap at ihug.com.au>
> 
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From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Bernard White via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 06:25:40 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi service in Australia
In-Reply-To: <55D3A776-3D7A-4CAE-A70D-EF0AC6D6D690@bigpond.com>
References: <020801d5cb3e$5020dec0$f0629c40$@ihug.com.au>
 <55D3A776-3D7A-4CAE-A70D-EF0AC6D6D690@bigpond.com>
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In Australia? Bala Ganesh Chandra, surely. He’s on the Gold Coast.

Bernard White

On 16 Jan 2020, at 2:04 PM, Marcus James via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com<mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> wrote:

Hello David,

A few years ago I had a very drawn out, expensive and ultimately unfulfilling experience with Russell Storey of Stones Sound Studio and a ZX7.
He said he was shutting up shop but I’ve noticed his website is still up. Hard to know what to believe with RS. I certainly would not recommend him.
I live in Sydney and have a Dragon that needs servicing. Let me know if you find someone within OZ and I’ll do the same.

Best regards,
Marcus
marcusrhys.james at bigpond.com<mailto:marcusrhys.james at bigpond.com>

On Jan 15, 2020, at 11:54 AM, David Patterson via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com<mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> wrote:

Hiya Naktalk,

Wondering if there is anyone in Australia here, especially Melbourne, who can service/repair Nakamichi decks or refer me to someone who does?

I have a CR7 (240V), a CR7A (110V) and a Dragon (110V), all of which are chewing tapes. They haven't been serviced since I owned them.

I've barely started a large archival project which I need these decks for and I'm not a technician. I can supply the 110V transformer if necessary.

Any suggestions gratefully entertained.

Thank you all kindly.

Cheers, David.
dap at ihug.com.au<mailto:dap at ihug.com.au>


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From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 16:41:25 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi service in Australia
In-Reply-To: <F7272B43-1868-40B6-BA8D-9E2352D9670E@hotmail.com>
References: <020801d5cb3e$5020dec0$f0629c40$@ihug.com.au>
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The top Nak tech around is John Gipps in Brisbane but I don’t think he is doing it anymore.

Bala is capable too if he is not busy with his employment.

David
On 16 Jan 2020, 4:27 PM +1000, Bernard White via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>, wrote:
> In Australia? Bala Ganesh Chandra, surely. He’s on the Gold Coast.
>
> Bernard White
>
> > On 16 Jan 2020, at 2:04 PM, Marcus James via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello David,
> >
> > A few years ago I had a very drawn out, expensive and ultimately unfulfilling experience with Russell Storey of Stones Sound Studio and a ZX7.
> > He said he was shutting up shop but I’ve noticed his website is still up. Hard to know what to believe with RS. I certainly would not recommend him.
> > I live in Sydney and have a Dragon that needs servicing. Let me know if you find someone within OZ and I’ll do the same.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Marcus
> > marcusrhys.james at bigpond.com
> >
> > > On Jan 15, 2020, at 11:54 AM, David Patterson via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hiya Naktalk,
> > >
> > > Wondering if there is anyone in Australia here, especially Melbourne, who can service/repair Nakamichi decks or refer me to someone who does?
> > >
> > > I have a CR7 (240V), a CR7A (110V) and a Dragon (110V), all of which are chewing tapes. They haven't been serviced since I owned them.
> > >
> > > I've barely started a large archival project which I need these decks for and I'm not a technician. I can supply the 110V transformer if necessary.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions gratefully entertained.
> > >
> > > Thank you all kindly.
> > >
> > > Cheers, David.
> > > dap at ihug.com.au
> > >
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Thu Jan 16 21:52:17 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Tom Brucker via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 14:52:17 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi service in Australia
In-Reply-To: <b784e952-8913-4a5b-8a29-910dded95ff9@Spark>
References: <020801d5cb3e$5020dec0$f0629c40$@ihug.com.au>
 <55D3A776-3D7A-4CAE-A70D-EF0AC6D6D690@bigpond.com>
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Message-ID: <CAAqwSUaEd=8LPqYX+pxcV3G6kN6+j8idYTzfP-0xLfnaT082CQ@mail.gmail.com>

Replacing the reel idler in the CR7 is easy to do, and will fix your
trouble. Tampheads.net has links to a pictorial of the tire replacement.

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020, 12:42 AM via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

> The top Nak tech around is John Gipps in Brisbane but I don’t think he is
> doing it anymore.
>
> Bala is capable too if he is not busy with his employment.
>
> David
> On 16 Jan 2020, 4:27 PM +1000, Bernard White via Naktalk <
> naktalk at lists.naks.com>, wrote:
>
> In Australia? Bala Ganesh Chandra, surely. He’s on the Gold Coast.
>
> Bernard White
>
> On 16 Jan 2020, at 2:04 PM, Marcus James via Naktalk <
> naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>
> Hello David,
>
> A few years ago I had a very drawn out, expensive and ultimately
> unfulfilling experience with Russell Storey of Stones Sound Studio and a
> ZX7.
> He said he was shutting up shop but I’ve noticed his website is still up.
> Hard to know what to believe with RS. I certainly would *not* recommend
> him.
> I live in Sydney and have a Dragon that needs servicing. Let me know if
> you find someone within OZ and I’ll do the same.
>
> Best regards,
> Marcus
> marcusrhys.james at bigpond.com
>
> On Jan 15, 2020, at 11:54 AM, David Patterson via Naktalk <
> naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>
> Hiya Naktalk,
>
> Wondering if there is anyone in Australia here, especially Melbourne, who
> can service/repair Nakamichi decks or refer me to someone who does?
>
> I have a CR7 (240V), a CR7A (110V) and a Dragon (110V), all of which are
> chewing tapes. They haven't been serviced since I owned them.
>
> I've barely started a large archival project which I need these decks for
> and I'm not a technician. I can supply the 110V transformer if necessary.
>
> Any suggestions gratefully entertained.
>
> Thank you all kindly.
>
> Cheers, David.
> dap at ihug.com.au
>
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Thu Jan 16 22:00:22 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Richard Gendron via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 21:00:22 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Objet :  Nakamichi service in Australia
In-Reply-To: <CAAqwSUaEd=8LPqYX+pxcV3G6kN6+j8idYTzfP-0xLfnaT082CQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <020801d5cb3e$5020dec0$f0629c40$@ihug.com.au>
 <55D3A776-3D7A-4CAE-A70D-EF0AC6D6D690@bigpond.com>
 <F7272B43-1868-40B6-BA8D-9E2352D9670E@hotmail.com>
 <b784e952-8913-4a5b-8a29-910dded95ff9@Spark>,
 <CAAqwSUaEd=8LPqYX+pxcV3G6kN6+j8idYTzfP-0xLfnaT082CQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi
Is there a video online on how to replace idler tire on a RX505 ? thanks

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De : Tom Brucker via Naktalk<mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Envoyé le :16 janvier 2020 15:52
À : davidt124 at internode.on.net<mailto:davidt124 at internode.on.net>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks<mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Objet :Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi service in Australia

Replacing the reel idler in the CR7 is easy to do, and will fix your trouble. Tampheads.net has links to a pictorial of the tire replacement.

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020, 12:42 AM via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com<mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> wrote:
The top Nak tech around is John Gipps in Brisbane but I don’t think he is doing it anymore.

Bala is capable too if he is not busy with his employment.

David
On 16 Jan 2020, 4:27 PM +1000, Bernard White via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com<mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>>, wrote:

In Australia? Bala Ganesh Chandra, surely. He’s on the Gold Coast.

Bernard White


On 16 Jan 2020, at 2:04 PM, Marcus James via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com<mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> wrote:

Hello David,

A few years ago I had a very drawn out, expensive and ultimately unfulfilling experience with Russell Storey of Stones Sound Studio and a ZX7.
He said he was shutting up shop but I’ve noticed his website is still up. Hard to know what to believe with RS. I certainly would not recommend him.
I live in Sydney and have a Dragon that needs servicing. Let me know if you find someone within OZ and I’ll do the same.

Best regards,
Marcus
marcusrhys.james at bigpond.com<mailto:marcusrhys.james at bigpond.com>

On Jan 15, 2020, at 11:54 AM, David Patterson via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com<mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> wrote:

Hiya Naktalk,

Wondering if there is anyone in Australia here, especially Melbourne, who can service/repair Nakamichi decks or refer me to someone who does?

I have a CR7 (240V), a CR7A (110V) and a Dragon (110V), all of which are chewing tapes. They haven't been serviced since I owned them.

I've barely started a large archival project which I need these decks for and I'm not a technician. I can supply the 110V transformer if necessary.

Any suggestions gratefully entertained.

Thank you all kindly.

Cheers, David.
dap at ihug.com.au<mailto:dap at ihug.com.au>


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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Jan 17 13:48:30 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Daniel Botelho via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 07:48:30 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Objet :  Nakamichi service in Australia
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Jan 17 14:29:57 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (perry via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 08:29:57 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 tire replacement
Message-ID: <75bb691f-18c6-4979-99d1-831fd7d92240@Perrys-iphone>

No video, but there is a 40 photo pictorial with written instructions I can send you a link to if you send your email address to perry.nak at comcast.net

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Jan 17 14:31:00 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (perry via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 08:31:00 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Tapeheads.net
Message-ID: <8d8ff4c9-83a2-4160-a2a4-c7b53a4d9f92@Perrys-iphone>

Tom has a typo below. It is Tapeheads.net. Not tampheads.

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Jan 17 16:15:10 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Daniel Botelho via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 10:15:10 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 tire replacement
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References: <75bb691f-18c6-4979-99d1-831fd7d92240@Perrys-iphone>
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:)

Sent out the pictorial.  I swear that someone took your photos and
threw them on smugmug.  :D
https://timothyflath.smugmug.com/Stereo/Nakamichi-RX-505-Cassette-Deck-Maintenance/

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 8:44 AM perry via Naktalk
<naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
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> No video, but there is a 40 photo pictorial with written instructions I can send you a link to if you send your email address to perry.nak at comcast.net
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Jan 17 17:39:48 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Richard Gendron via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 16:39:48 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Objet :  RX-505 tire replacement
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Thank you very much....

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De : Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> de la part de Daniel Botelho via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Envoyé : Friday, January 17, 2020 10:15:10 AM
À : perry <perry.nak at comcast.net>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Objet : Re: [naktalk] RX-505 tire replacement

:)

Sent out the pictorial.  I swear that someone took your photos and
threw them on smugmug.  :D
https://timothyflath.smugmug.com/Stereo/Nakamichi-RX-505-Cassette-Deck-Maintenance/

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 8:44 AM perry via Naktalk
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> No video, but there is a 40 photo pictorial with written instructions I can send you a link to if you send your email address to perry.nak at comcast.net
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Jan 17 20:26:44 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Richard Gendron via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 19:26:44 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Objet :  Objet :  RX-505 tire replacement
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1001MB209258BD43C9BC7BD3C7B37A9D310@DM5PR1001MB2092.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
References: <75bb691f-18c6-4979-99d1-831fd7d92240@Perrys-iphone>,
 <CAEwmrs6X6jB4-cj8ZSPjcT8PMqgrw-4BNh-vwHV+vqNNBkjx5g@mail.gmail.com>,
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Thanks for the link...look to complicated for me ☹

Provenance : Courrier<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> pour Windows 10

De : Richard Gendron via Naktalk<mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Envoyé le :17 janvier 2020 12:34
À : Daniel Botelho<mailto:daniel.botelho at gmail.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks<mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Objet :[naktalk] Objet : RX-505 tire replacement

Thank you very much....

Provenance : Courrier<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> pour Windows 10


De : Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> de la part de Daniel Botelho via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Envoyé : Friday, January 17, 2020 10:15:10 AM
À : perry <perry.nak at comcast.net>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Objet : Re: [naktalk] RX-505 tire replacement

:)

Sent out the pictorial.  I swear that someone took your photos and
threw them on smugmug.  :D
https://timothyflath.smugmug.com/Stereo/Nakamichi-RX-505-Cassette-Deck-Maintenance/

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sat Jan 18 01:01:27 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Tom Brucker via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 18:01:27 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Tapeheads.net
In-Reply-To: <8d8ff4c9-83a2-4160-a2a4-c7b53a4d9f92@Perrys-iphone>
References: <8d8ff4c9-83a2-4160-a2a4-c7b53a4d9f92@Perrys-iphone>
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Thanks Perry. I am too old to type on a phone!

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 7:44 AM perry via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
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> Tom has a typo below. It is Tapeheads.net.  Not tampheads.
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sat Jan 18 15:28:21 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Kevin Fetner via Naktalk)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 14:28:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] Objet:  RX-505 tire replacement
References: <376693632.668531.1579357701075.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <376693632.668531.1579357701075@mail.yahoo.com>

It's been a long time since I did this but you don't have to split the transport sandwich. You'll have to sacrifice a jeweler's screwdriver though...a Philips that's bent to a 90 degrees with some heat. Then you can get at some screws to remove the idler tire. 

Where I failed was the drawer mechanism....I managed to break a plastic gear in the drawer that's impossible to find. It's very delicate. Tom B found me one and sent....otherwise the machine would have been mothballed. 



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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sat Jan 18 20:22:49 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Daniel Botelho via Naktalk)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 14:22:49 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Objet:  RX-505 tire replacement
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Jan 19 00:57:19 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Francis Flynn via Naktalk)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 17:57:19 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Objet: RX-505 tire replacement
In-Reply-To: <376693632.668531.1579357701075@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <376693632.668531.1579357701075.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <376693632.668531.1579357701075@mail.yahoo.com>
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If you have access to a Harbor Frieght store, they have a nice kit of
picks for a low price.  I use one of them to remove the small rubber
idler tire in the Sankyo transports.  Be careful not to break the
plastic, it gets brittle over the years and if broken can be a very
difficult or impossible repair.

On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 8:50 AM Kevin Fetner via Naktalk
<naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>
> It's been a long time since I did this but you don't have to split the transport sandwich. You'll have to sacrifice a jeweler's screwdriver though...a Philips that's bent to a 90 degrees with some heat. Then you can get at some screws to remove the idler tire.
>
> Where I failed was the drawer mechanism....I managed to break a plastic gear in the drawer that's impossible to find. It's very delicate. Tom B found me one and sent....otherwise the machine would have been mothballed.
>
>
>
> Kevin
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Jan 19 04:10:08 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Kevin Fetner via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 03:10:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] Objet :  RX-505 tire replacement
References: <584994910.854812.1579403408712.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <584994910.854812.1579403408712@mail.yahoo.com>

  No argument with that, but I think the newer mechanisms don't necessarily require a complete break down like the older ones deserve. The grease in these old Naks if original, is more like glue than lubricant. 

I was able to grease/lube everything without splitting the mechanism......and replace the belts. Like I said, my failure was breaking that plastic gear in the drawer....bad JuJu. This was at least 12 yrs ago and I use it most days. 

As far as picks....I bought a set from a farm store that was purposely made to remove O-rings. Instead of points, the end are rounded and have different angles etc. I hate seeing probe & scratch marks from previous efforts. 


Kevin




I think that you pretty much are better off pulling the mechanism apart and separating it, as it can use the lube on the capstan shafts as well.  If possible,  may as well  do the belts too, as they are likely on their way out.    
  
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Jan 19 16:04:34 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (perry via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 10:04:34 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Rx-505 tire replacement
Message-ID: <dd9257a0-30e9-4e09-a619-15ae0360a3bd@Perrys-iphone>

I never understood the hesitancy in removing the transport & separating the transport plates. It is a few screws to remove & only 10 screws and 3 springs to separate the plates, & just takes a few minutes. And that can save you hours of frustration especially if you damage anything trying to work between the plates with 35 year old plastic arms!!!. The tires are TIGHT. Why take the chance? Plus the RX transports are the easiest of all Naks to remove. That also allows me to remove the reel stacks, & clean and lubricate them, as well as regrease the cam gear and clean out any brake dust.

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Jan 19 17:44:29 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Daniel Botelho via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 11:44:29 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Rx-505 tire replacement
In-Reply-To: <dd9257a0-30e9-4e09-a619-15ae0360a3bd@Perrys-iphone>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Jan 19 18:14:18 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Francis Flynn via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 12:14:18 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Rx-505 tire replacement
In-Reply-To: <4l7ohajm7qv9u2mo549qpear.1579452269379@gmail.com>
References: <4l7ohajm7qv9u2mo549qpear.1579452269379@gmail.com>
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I broke the idler assy on BX300 as well and had to harvest parts. I was doing the same, trying to take the "easy" way out.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 19, 2020, at 11:44 AM, Daniel Botelho via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
> 
> I think you hit the nail on the head.  ;)
> 
> That idler assembly is quite fragile with every year that passes,  and 30+ year plastics do tend to get brittle and break.
> 
> I had it happen to me...was doing a BX300 and attempted to replace the idler tire.  As I was attempting to remote the tire, the swing arm broke on me.  :( 
> 
> I ended up buying a used DR1 and had to harvest the idler out of it.  That was a lot of work that could have been avoided had I pulled the mechanism out. (And ended up rendering a perfectly working deck useless) 
> 
> The nak classic mechanism can seem to be intimidating,  but it's really not that bad. Take many photos and get a good hook tool.  It will be used again and again.   
> 
> 
> 
> From: naktalk at lists.naks.com
> Sent: January 19, 2020 10:54
> To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
> Reply to: perry.nak at comcast.net; naktalk at lists.naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Rx-505 tire replacement
> 
> I never understood the hesitancy in removing the transport & separating the transport plates. It is a few screws to remove & only 10 screws and 3 springs to separate the plates, & just takes a few minutes. And that can save you hours of frustration especially if you damage anything trying to work between the plates with 35 year old plastic arms!!!. The tires are TIGHT. Why take the chance? Plus the RX transports are the easiest of all Naks to remove. That also allows me to remove the reel stacks, & clean and lubricate them, as well as regrease the cam gear and clean out any brake dust. 
> 
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Jan 19 18:46:25 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Peter Tanner via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 17:46:25 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z
Message-ID: <CH2PR13MB3751D3422B0A48C0BAE2E4E5DF330@CH2PR13MB3751.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

Hi everybody,

I have a 480Z which functions perfectly in play but has problems recording. It erases all right but records a very audible hiss or more like a hum in all modes Dolby B or C in or out. It also puts a large click on the tape when it's paused while recording with or without NR. Playback is just fine, no clicks, no hum or hiss and the sound is good. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.

Peter
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Jan 20 11:11:02 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Gerhard Wartha via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 11:11:02 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR13MB3751D3422B0A48C0BAE2E4E5DF330@CH2PR13MB3751.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR13MB3751D3422B0A48C0BAE2E4E5DF330@CH2PR13MB3751.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <7DF4399D-FCDB-4EE4-98AA-8DF7E3716688@gmail.com>

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-480-APS-Polypropylene-Capacitors-orange-caps-Ask-for-other-kits/254310984805?hash=item3b361dac65:g:hJoAAOSw9rtdObK5 <https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-480-APS-Polypropylene-Capacitors-orange-caps-Ask-for-other-kits/254310984805?hash=item3b361dac65:g:hJoAAOSw9rtdObK5>

Ask him for a 480Z kit and replace all PP capacitors with Japan made 100V polypropylene capacitors .


> Am 19.01.2020 um 18:46 schrieb Peter Tanner via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>:
> 
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I have a 480Z which functions perfectly in play but has problems recording. It erases all right but records a very audible hiss or more like a hum in all modes Dolby B or C in or out. It also puts a large click on the tape when it's paused while recording with or without NR. Playback is just fine, no clicks, no hum or hiss and the sound is good. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
> 
> Peter
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed Jan 22 21:13:32 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Peter Tanner via Naktalk)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 20:13:32 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z
In-Reply-To: <7DF4399D-FCDB-4EE4-98AA-8DF7E3716688@gmail.com>
References: <CH2PR13MB3751D3422B0A48C0BAE2E4E5DF330@CH2PR13MB3751.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>,
 <7DF4399D-FCDB-4EE4-98AA-8DF7E3716688@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR13MB3751755EF161612ECBC37EF7DF0C0@CH2PR13MB3751.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

Also as the deck plays back well I did not think it was necessary to change the orange caps in the playback amp. Don't know about the record amp. Perhaps the caps there should be changed too.Changing them in the bias oscillator didn't make any difference. The large click and hum are still there.
Peter

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To: Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nakamichi-480-APS-Polypropylene-Capacitors-orange-caps-Ask-for-other-kits/254310984805?hash=item3b361dac65:g:hJoAAOSw9rtdObK5

Ask him for a 480Z kit and replace all PP capacitors with Japan made 100V polypropylene capacitors .


Am 19.01.2020 um 18:46 schrieb Peter Tanner via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com<mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>>:

Hi everybody,

I have a 480Z which functions perfectly in play but has problems recording. It erases all right but records a very audible hiss or more like a hum in all modes Dolby B or C in or out. It also puts a large click on the tape when it's paused while recording with or without NR. Playback is just fine, no clicks, no hum or hiss and the sound is good. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.

Peter
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Thu Jan 23 09:44:38 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Mikkel Breiler via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 09:44:38 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Objet: RX-505 tire replacement
In-Reply-To: <376693632.668531.1579357701075@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <376693632.668531.1579357701075.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <376693632.668531.1579357701075@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a30e306c-7e10-092d-1554-742a984c1237@tdcadsl.dk>

Hi Kevin

I was just thinking, maybe today as parts get ever so rare we also have 
the dawning technology of 3D printing which can create some of the 
missing plastic parts, even gears.

A print gets a rough part that you can treat by hand for a better 
finish, surface and exact grip, but if you need something more sturdy 
you will probably have to cast it in metal. I expect YouTube to have 
loads of videos on printing plastic and casting metal replacement parts.

Which works if you know someone who has a 3D printer or a workshop nearby.

-Mikkel

On 18-01-2020 15:28, Kevin Fetner via Naktalk wrote:
> It's been a long time since I did this but you don't have to split the transport sandwich. You'll have to sacrifice a jeweler's screwdriver though...a Philips that's bent to a 90 degrees with some heat. Then you can get at some screws to remove the idler tire.
>
> Where I failed was the drawer mechanism....I managed to break a plastic gear in the drawer that's impossible to find. It's very delicate. Tom B found me one and sent....otherwise the machine would have been mothballed.
>
>
>
> Kevin
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Thu Jan 23 13:52:52 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (K Coffey via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 12:52:52 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Cassette Deck Line Voltage Modification
Message-ID: <C411D021-CCF8-477D-BEA5-D5F4EB0E8603@hotmail.com>

From some helpful advice and careful measurements, my BX-300 has been successfully returned to 120V operation, functioning well and completely. For any that might encounter a similar situation where such a unit has the multi-voltage transformer but not the voltage selector switch (apparently many sent to the USA were like this), I can state here the proper internal connections.

Note that my unit has transformer part number 0B50032A, which is the multi-voltage transformer and which the service manual documents is for “Others” countries. There is a different transformer part number listed for USA & Canada which I presume to be single-voltage but, even though I am the original owner of the deck and have the receipt proving that I bought it new in California, mine was manufactured with the multi-voltage transformer in it from the start (but not including the voltage switch!).

So, the correct connections between the black and brown wires coming from the Power Switch PCB Assy to the transformer primary wires are these.

For 120V operation: connect BOTH transformer red and brown to Power Switch PCB Assy brown, and connect BOTH transformer black and gray to Power Switch PCB Assy black.

For 240V operation: connect transformer red to Power Switch PCB Assy brown, connect transformer gray to Power Switch PCB Assy black, and connect transformer black to transformer brown.

Regards,
KC





Original post:

Nakamichi always made fantastic cassette tape players and I was fortunate to buy a new BX-300 model in 1984. It is serial number 07069 and I still have the unit, even though it has not been used for some years. Now that cassette tapes are making a little comeback, I would like to use my BX-300 once again.

In the 1990’s, I moved to Europe and converted the BX-300 for 240V operation there. Mine has no line voltage selector switch but I do have the service manual and Nakamichi back at that time told me how to convert from 120V to 240V operation by changing the transformer wire connections inside the unit, as the transformer had the capability for either voltage. So, I changed the black and brown line voltage wires coming from the (front panel) Power Switch PCB Assy that were connected to the black and brown transformer wires (original 120V operation) to instead connect to the gray and red transformer wires for 240V operation. Now that I need to reverse and again use 120V supply, do I reconnect black from the Power Switch PCB Assy to the black transformer wire and brown to brown, i.e., does it matter which transformer wire is connected to hot and which to neutral line wires?

Thank you very much for any helpful information!

Regards,
KC


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From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Kevin Fetner via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 17:00:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] Objet: RX-505 tire replacement
References: <2114384568.343822.1579798851644.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2114384568.343822.1579798851644@mail.yahoo.com>

Mikkel,This very topic raises its head on forums about once a yr. In truth, the machines available to the advanced hobbyist do a poor job with working plastic parts durability. The machines that do a good job are upward of a million dollars and/or military. The lesser machine layer print plastic parts while sacrificing strength. I know guys that use their machines at work....the good ones. They are even encouraged to experiment with them on their own time. If they pick the right plastic, the parts can be very durable. The downside it that a machine can be tied up for hrs printing a piece that fits in your palm. That's not a real money maker to the company, but kinda cool to the employee who pays nothing but maybe the cost of the plastic.
After all the hype, there should be any number of cottage industries printing extinct plastic parts.....and there really are not.  And the ones that are, are expensive. At my age I live in the moment so 3D printing....meh.
Kevin


Hi Kevin

I was just thinking, maybe today as parts get ever so rare we also have 
the dawning technology of 3D printing which can create some of the 
missing plastic parts, even gears.

A print gets a rough part that you can treat by hand for a better 
finish, surface and exact grip, but if you need something more sturdy 
you will probably have to cast it in metal. I expect YouTube to have 
loads of videos on printing plastic and casting metal replacement parts.

Which works if you know someone who has a 3D printer or a workshop nearby.

-Mikkel



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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Thu Jan 23 22:59:53 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 22:59:53 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [naktalk] Objet: RX-505 tire replacement
In-Reply-To: <2114384568.343822.1579798851644@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2114384568.343822.1579798851644.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <2114384568.343822.1579798851644@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hi Kevin 

I did not know that we're still not there yet. I have never seen such prints up close in person. I work in a bank so the chances of me seeing one at work is peaking at zero. I will not buy one myself as I live in a one-room apartment so I cannot escape the noise of it, and neither can my neighbours. So I am probably not going to have personal experience with 3D printing any time soon. 

-Mikkel 


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Til: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at lists.naks.com> 
Sendt: torsdag, 23. januar 2020 18:00:51 
Emne: Re: [naktalk] Objet: RX-505 tire replacement 

Mikkel, 
This very topic raises its head on forums about once a yr. In truth, the machines available to the advanced hobbyist do a poor job with working plastic parts durability. The machines that do a good job are upward of a million dollars and/or military. The lesser machine layer print plastic parts while sacrificing strength. I know guys that use their machines at work....the good ones. They are even encouraged to experiment with them on their own time. If they pick the right plastic, the parts can be very durable. The downside it that a machine can be tied up for hrs printing a piece that fits in your palm. That's not a real money maker to the company, but kinda cool to the employee who pays nothing but maybe the cost of the plastic. 

After all the hype, there should be any number of cottage industries printing extinct plastic parts.....and there really are not. And the ones that are, are expensive. At my age I live in the moment so 3D printing....meh. 

Kevin 


Hi Kevin 

I was just thinking, maybe today as parts get ever so rare we also have 
the dawning technology of 3D printing which can create some of the 
missing plastic parts, even gears. 

A print gets a rough part that you can treat by hand for a better 
finish, surface and exact grip, but if you need something more sturdy 
you will probably have to cast it in metal. I expect YouTube to have 
loads of videos on printing plastic and casting metal replacement parts. 

Which works if you know someone who has a 3D printer or a workshop nearby. 

-Mikkel 




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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Jan 24 23:49:54 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (mfallon via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 17:49:54 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Rx-505 tire replacement
In-Reply-To: <DC2D58C0-B28E-4FBC-A00C-00F7E38D704C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D.53.03840.3947B2E5@smtp01.aqua.bos.sync.lan>

All this talk makes me want to sell my 505, along with replacement tire kit I bought a couple years ago...Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S8+.
-------- Original message --------From: Francis Flynn via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> Date: 1/19/20  12:14 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Daniel Botelho <daniel.botelho at gmail.com>, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com> Cc: perry <perry.nak at comcast.net> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Rx-505 tire replacement I broke the idler assy on BX300 as well and had to harvest parts. I was doing the same, trying to take the "easy" way out.  Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 19, 2020, at 11:44 AM, Daniel Botelho via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:#response_container_BBPPID{font-family: initial; font-size:initial; color: initial;}  I think you hit the nail on the head.  ;)That idler assembly is quite fragile with every year that passes,  and 30+ year plastics do tend to get brittle and break.I had it happen to me...was doing a BX300 and attempted to replace the idler tire.  As I was attempting to remote the tire, the swing arm broke on me.  :( I ended up buying a used DR1 and had to harvest the idler out of it.  That was a lot of work that could have been avoided had I pulled the mechanism out. (And ended up rendering a perfectly working deck useless) The nak classic mechanism can seem to be intimidating,  but it's really not that bad. Take many photos and get a good hook tool.  It will be used again and again.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           From: naktalk at lists.naks.comSent: January 19, 2020 10:54To: naktalk at lists.naks.comReply to: perry.nak at comcast.net; naktalk at lists.naks.comSubject: [naktalk] Rx-505 tire replacement  I never understood the hesitancy in removing the transport & separating the transport plates. It is a few screws to remove & only 10 screws and 3 springs to separate the plates, & just takes a few minutes. And that can save you hours of frustration especially if you damage anything trying to work between the plates with 35 year old plastic arms!!!. The tires are TIGHT. Why take the chance? Plus the RX transports are the easiest of all Naks to remove. That also allows me to remove the reel stacks, & clean and lubricate them, as well as regrease the cam gear and clean out any brake dust. Sent from Xfinity Connect App========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at lists.naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://lists.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sat Jan 25 14:53:17 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Kevin Fetner via Naktalk)
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2020 13:53:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] Rx-505 tire replacement
References: <2018349290.203493.1579960397151.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Some think it's hard, some think it's "easy". Depends on your dexterity, patience and level of experience. No doubt it's "easy" if you work on decks all the time. It's "easy" for me to plumb a house because I'm a plumber or "easy" to rebuild an engine because I'm a journeyman mechanic. Not knowing your skill level, it's impossible to advise for or against. Only thing we can do is recite our own experiences. 

The biggest problem with working on a Nak deck like the 505 is where will you get parts if you break something plastic? Only a handful of techs in NA that will touch these decks (or should touch these decks). 

The sound of the RX-505 is very analytical and true to the original source.....almost sterile. I have a lot more fun listening to my 700 ZXL and working it too.






All this talk makes me want to sell my 505, along with replacement tire kit I bought a couple years ago...
mfallon
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Jan 27 08:34:48 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Andrew via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 10:34:48 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Rx-505 tire replacement
In-Reply-To: <9D.53.03840.3947B2E5@smtp01.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
References: <DC2D58C0-B28E-4FBC-A00C-00F7E38D704C@gmail.com>
 <9D.53.03840.3947B2E5@smtp01.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
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I replaced the idler tire in my Dragon recently and I was very close
to break the swing arm... I tried to do the job without separating the
mecha sandwich... As it was said before, tires are very tight so don't
try to do something with them while the tire assembly is inside the
mecha (it's not as simple as it seems to be). Get it out first. In
classic Nakimuchi transport you will need to unscrew partially some
screws that hold mecha plates together and gently get the tire assy
from it's axis. Be careful not to bend it because, as it was said
before, it may crack. Then remove the old tire, clean the pulley with
isopropanol or ethanol and put the new tire in place (be careful here
also not to damage the tire plastic arm). Then insert the tire assy in
transport, you will need to place it right against it's axis holding
the axis from other side and push from both sides to the tire arm and
axis to insert the axis into the arm hole. Then ensure that the gap
between tire arm and mecha plate is not to large (so the arm sits
tight) and that, at the same time, the arm can swing freely. Clean the
tire one more time (because it will catch some lub or dirt anyway
while being put in it's place) and you will complete the procedure.
The other way is to get the mecha out of the deck, separate halves
completely and work with the tire more comfortably but it will require
additional steps that will also consume time so decide what what you
prefer.

2020-01-25 1:49 GMT+03:00, mfallon via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>:
> All this talk makes me want to sell my 505, along with replacement tire kit
> I bought a couple years ago...Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S8+.
> -------- Original message --------From: Francis Flynn via Naktalk
> <naktalk at lists.naks.com> Date: 1/19/20  12:14 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Daniel
> Botelho <daniel.botelho at gmail.com>, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> <naktalk at lists.naks.com> Cc: perry <perry.nak at comcast.net> Subject: Re:
> [naktalk] Rx-505 tire replacement I broke the idler assy on BX300 as well
> and had to harvest parts. I was doing the same, trying to take the "easy"
> way out.  Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 19, 2020, at 11:44 AM, Daniel Botelho
> via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> wrote:#response_container_BBPPID{font-family: initial; font-size:initial;
> color: initial;}  I think you hit the nail on the head.  ;)That idler
> assembly is quite fragile with every year that passes,  and 30+ year
> plastics do tend to get brittle and break.I had it happen to me...was doing
> a BX300 and attempted to replace the idler tire.  As I was attempting to
> remote the tire, the swing arm broke on me.  :( I ended up buying a used DR1
> and had to harvest the idler out of it.  That was a lot of work that could
> have been avoided had I pulled the mechanism out. (And ended up rendering a
> perfectly working deck useless) The nak classic mechanism can seem to be
> intimidating,  but it's really not that bad. Take many photos and get a good
> hook tool.  It will be used again and again.
>
>
>
>                                                    From:
> naktalk at lists.naks.comSent: January 19, 2020 10:54To:
> naktalk at lists.naks.comReply to: perry.nak at comcast.net;
> naktalk at lists.naks.comSubject: [naktalk] Rx-505 tire replacement  I never
> understood the hesitancy in removing the transport & separating the
> transport plates. It is a few screws to remove & only 10 screws and 3
> springs to separate the plates, & just takes a few minutes. And that can
> save you hours of frustration especially if you damage anything trying to
> work between the plates with 35 year old plastic arms!!!. The tires are
> TIGHT. Why take the chance? Plus the RX transports are the easiest of all
> Naks to remove. That also allows me to remove the reel stacks, & clean and
> lubricate them, as well as regrease the cam gear and clean out any brake
> dust. Sent from Xfinity Connect
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Jan 27 13:55:33 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (perry via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 07:55:33 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 tire replacement
Message-ID: <a999f246-278a-488e-bfd4-12723aa39f18@Perrys-iphone>

The Dragon and RX-505 have metal arms, not plastic. You do not want to bend the arm, either. The hub is nylon.
By separating the halves, again, no big deal, if you take your time and watch for the black spacer washers on the posts.
Removing the tire is a simple “e” clip, just be careful to not lose the two washers, clip and spring. Notice the spring has a protrusion on the bottom, that sits between two small nubs inside the hub, for reassembly.
The key to quieter operation is to be sure the tire is centered on the hub, which is absolutely impossible to do with the hub mounted and between the plates. With the hub in your hand, it is easy.

“Avoid the fight, do it right!”

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Jan 27 14:47:29 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (K Coffey via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:47:29 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Original-Owner BX-300 For Sale
Message-ID: <E9E7E3E3-78C5-40A3-AE3B-372D7B9EEC77@hotmail.com>

Original-owner Nakamichi BX-300 discrete three-head, direct-drive, adjustable-pitch cassette player with original brochure, sales receipt, Owner's Manual, and Service Manual. Serial number 07069. Has not been used for some years, so may need belts, lubrication, etc. for performance perfection, but completely functional and excellent condition out of storage. Located in Massachusetts. $250.


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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed Jan 29 02:35:50 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Erich Veyhl via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 20:35:50 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Original-Owner BX-300 For Sale
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1580209201.20323.naktalk@lists.naks.com>
References: <mailman.1.1580209201.20323.naktalk@lists.naks.com>
Message-ID: <1580261780545.709f5f5135dc9156@moosecove.org>


>Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:47:29 +0000
>From: K Coffey via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
>
>Original-owner Nakamichi BX-300 discrete three-head, direct-drive, 
>adjustable-pitch cassette player with original brochure, sales 
>receipt, Owner's Manual, and Service Manual. Serial number 07069. 
>Has not been used for some years, so may need belts, lubrication, 
>etc. for performance perfection, but completely functional and 
>excellent condition out of storage. Located in Massachusetts. $250.

Who in Massachusetts can do the work and how can you be contacted? 


From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed Jan 29 13:45:16 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (K Coffey via Naktalk)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 12:45:16 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Original-Owner BX-300 For Sale
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1580295601.31199.naktalk@lists.naks.com>
References: <mailman.1.1580295601.31199.naktalk@lists.naks.com>
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Erich,

You can get me directly at kc_cmc -at- hotmail.com and from there we can arrange a call, if helpful.

In MA, I’d think of Vince Naeve at Audio Proz in Watertown, who has done a bunch of work on Nakamichi and a whole bunch of other classic audio products.

Kevin



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> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 20:35:50 -0500
> From: Erich Veyhl via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Original-Owner BX-300 For Sale
> Message-ID: <1580261780545.709f5f5135dc9156 at moosecove.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> 
> 
>> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:47:29 +0000
>> From: K Coffey via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
>> 
>> Original-owner Nakamichi BX-300 discrete three-head, direct-drive, 
>> adjustable-pitch cassette player with original brochure, sales 
>> receipt, Owner's Manual, and Service Manual. Serial number 07069. 
>> Has not been used for some years, so may need belts, lubrication, 
>> etc. for performance perfection, but completely functional and 
>> excellent condition out of storage. Located in Massachusetts. $250.
> 
> Who in Massachusetts can do the work and how can you be contacted? 




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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Oct  4 03:41:47 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Thomas Connolly via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 01:41:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] CAN'T USE HEADPHONES ON DR-3
References: <199624754.1659135.1601775707654.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <199624754.1659135.1601775707654@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,
I recently purchased a Nak DR-3 to use exclusively for listening to tapes on my headphones. However, the headphone jack on the DR-3 is way too big for my headphones plug. Can anyone tell me what I have to do? I truly appreciate any advice on this. Thank you very much.
Thomas
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Oct  4 08:14:15 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Ersted Bar via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 08:14:15 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CAN'T USE HEADPHONES ON DR-3
In-Reply-To: <199624754.1659135.1601775707654@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <199624754.1659135.1601775707654.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <199624754.1659135.1601775707654@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C91BCAE5-A80C-4F13-B132-B187376874C9@yahoo.com>

Hello,

I recently purchased a Nak DR-3 to use exclusively for listening to tapes on my headphones. However, the headphone jack on the DR-3 is way too big for my headphones plug. Can anyone tell me what I have to do? I truly appreciate any advice on this. Thank you very much.

Thomas
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> On Oct 4, 2020, at 3:41 AM, Thomas Connolly via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I recently purchased a Nak DR-3 to use exclusively for listening to tapes on my headphones. However, the headphone jack on the DR-3 is way too big for my headphones plug. Can anyone tell me what I have to do? I truly appreciate any advice on this. Thank you very much.
> 
> Thomas
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Oct  4 08:22:43 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Wouter Heijke via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2020 08:22:43 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] CAN'T USE HEADPHONES ON DR-3
In-Reply-To: <C91BCAE5-A80C-4F13-B132-B187376874C9@yahoo.com>
References: <199624754.1659135.1601775707654.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <199624754.1659135.1601775707654@mail.yahoo.com>
 <C91BCAE5-A80C-4F13-B132-B187376874C9@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <921730849f8f9ac6f9b178a03e6292c6@xs4all.nl>

Look for a "headphone jack adapter". Look for the one that ends in the 
big form and takes your smaller plug.

Wouter


On 2020-10-04 08:14, Ersted Bar via Naktalk wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I recently purchased a Nak DR-3 to use exclusively for listening to
> tapes on my headphones. However, the headphone jack on the DR-3 is way
> too big for my headphones plug. Can anyone tell me what I have to do?
> I truly appreciate any advice on this. Thank you very much.
> 
> Thomas

From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Oct  4 12:26:30 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Roland via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 06:26:30 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CAN'T USE HEADPHONES ON DR-3
In-Reply-To: <C91BCAE5-A80C-4F13-B132-B187376874C9@yahoo.com>
References: <199624754.1659135.1601775707654.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <199624754.1659135.1601775707654@mail.yahoo.com>
 <C91BCAE5-A80C-4F13-B132-B187376874C9@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0dd365d3-f257-d9ba-b390-b3c4c9d2d732@verizon.net>

You need a 3.5mm to 1/4" adapter like this one

https://www.ebay.com/itm/6-5mm-1-4-Male-Plug-To-3-5mm-1-8-Female-Jack-Stereo-Headphone-Audio-Adapter/333715252286?hash=item4db2faa43e:g:5rgAAOSwtapfWDqu

On 10/4/2020 2:14 AM, Ersted Bar via Naktalk wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I recently purchased a Nak DR-3 to use exclusively for listening to 
> tapes on my headphones. However, the headphone jack on the DR-3 is way 
> too big for my headphones plug. Can anyone tell me what I have to do? 
> I truly appreciate any advice on this. Thank you very much.
>
> Thomas
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> On Oct 4, 2020, at 3:41 AM, Thomas Connolly via Naktalk 
> <naktalk at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I recently purchased a Nak DR-3 to use exclusively for listening to 
>> tapes on my headphones. However, the headphone jack on the DR-3 is 
>> way too big for my headphones plug. Can anyone tell me what I have to 
>> do? I truly appreciate any advice on this. Thank you very much.
>>
>> Thomas
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Oct  4 22:02:50 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Richard L. Hess via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 16:02:50 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Azimuth mechanism
Message-ID: <7419633e-b47f-b94a-ddea-ebd75b89b545@richardhess.com>

Hi, I thought I would ask before opening up a Dragon if there are any 
other places to look to correct this behaviour.

I have modified most of my Dragons so that I have a simple up/down 
switch to move the azimuth adjustment. This remote switch uses the Gizmo 
connector and is only enabled when the Timer mode switch is selected to 
record, otherwise the NAAC mechanism operates as normal.

I just got a nicely repaired Dragon back from a local repair house 
(after a looooong wait) and the motorized azimuth adjustment doesn't 
work although it did when I sent it in. I can hear the motor turn and I 
can run it to either stop, but there is no change in the azimuth. Just 
to be certain, I also checked with the NAAC enabled and there was also 
no change (looking at the audio outputs using Stereotool.com's graphic 
azimuth "strip chart" display.

I'm assuming the belt that connects the motor to the mechanism is shot, 
but I'd like to know any other thoughts as where to look.

Thanks in advance!

Cheers,

Richard

-- 
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Aurora, Ontario, Canada           http://www.richardhess.com/
http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm
Quality tape transfers -- even from hard-to-play tapes.


From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Oct  5 15:30:59 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (perry via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 09:30:59 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Azimuth operation
Message-ID: <b8f0faf3-24a0-457b-9a13-cdb52592f679@Perrys-iphone>

Easy enough to tell if it is the belt by looking at it in operation with the top off. If the belt is working and the larger NAAC pulley is rotating, and the NAAC is stuck fully at one end, then it could either be the plastic ball joint where the NAAC threaded follower connects to bowden cable is broken off OR the threaded follower itself is split (common) and just the brass sleeve is moving and the follower is not. But either of those conditions would cause end of adjustment clicking, which you did not indicate. Or it could be as simple as a kinked bowden cable causing the belt to slip even if it is fine. You will have to manually try to move the large NAAC pulley to see if the cable is stuck.

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Oct  5 18:30:39 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Richard L. Hess via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 12:30:39 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Azimuth operation
In-Reply-To: <b8f0faf3-24a0-457b-9a13-cdb52592f679@Perrys-iphone>
References: <b8f0faf3-24a0-457b-9a13-cdb52592f679@Perrys-iphone>
Message-ID: <6965840d-aee5-bb53-b01d-bb83a97ad026@richardhess.com>

Hi, Perry,

That is precisely the type of information I was looking for. No need to 
start from ground zero! I've never inspected/repaired the NAAC system in 
the Dragons. I do have the service manual, but this is very helpful.

Thanks!

Cheers,

Richard

On 2020-10-05 9:30 a.m., perry via Naktalk wrote:
> Easy enough to tell if it is the belt by looking at it in operation 
> with the top off. If the belt is working and the larger NAAC pulley is 
> rotating, and the NAAC is stuck fully at one end, then it could either 
> be the plastic ball joint where the NAAC threaded follower connects to 
> bowden cable is broken off OR the threaded follower itself is split 
> (common) and just the brass sleeve is moving and the follower is not. 
> But either of those conditions would cause end of adjustment clicking, 
> which you did not indicate. Or it could be as simple as a kinked 
> bowden cable causing the belt to slip even if it is fine. You will 
> have to manually try to move the large NAAC pulley to see if the cable 
> is stuck.
>
>
-- 
Richard L. Hess                   email: richard at richardhess.com
Aurora, Ontario, Canada           http://www.richardhess.com/
http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm
Quality tape transfers -- even from hard-to-play tapes.


From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed Oct  7 13:23:42 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Santhosh Arulvanan via Naktalk)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 16:53:42 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-5 Reel Motor
Message-ID: <CALdbL3rqjUDS8d3V7n8VmHUmMZkRxG+gPQ9TDBiUpSYC3wvXiw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Team,

Good day!.

I am looking for a replacement reel motor or the original motor for my
nakamichi cr-5.
The original part number is BHS702 , please let me know if this is
available.

Thanks a lot.

Regards
Santhosh
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sat Oct 17 02:50:41 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (InternodeDT via Naktalk)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 10:50:41 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] ZX9 serviced in Adelaide
References: <b34fdbde-93da-46d7-9ac4-266778379055@Spark>
Message-ID: <8fda476f-520e-4536-bd9a-0ac421394a9a@Spark>

I have just had my ZX-9 deck realigned and calibrated by David O’Connor in Adelaide, SA. (Australia) who I can recommend. I discovered him by accident and he has done a great job. He has serviced Cassette decks and VCRs since the late 1980s. His photo of decks is attached. I used e-go.com.au to send my deck from north Queensland to Adelaide and back at reasonable cost.



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From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (via Naktalk)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 19:37:07 +1100
Subject: [naktalk] ZX9 serviced in Adelaide
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Oct 19 13:07:44 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Roland via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 07:07:44 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR7A question
References: <daafb864-8bd5-9e1c-dd07-7f1df910a4a6.ref@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <daafb864-8bd5-9e1c-dd07-7f1df910a4a6@verizon.net>

I've never owned one but there's a very nice example on eBay.

Although there isn't a tape in the cassette well, while power up in 
different photos from the seller, the tape counter has different numbers.

I'd gather it should stay 0000 unless a tape is being played. Correct?

From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Tue Oct 20 16:44:31 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (perry via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 10:44:31 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 question
Message-ID: <122e595a-2dae-48d2-b505-3bb9cb2b020d@Perrys-iphone>

The counter will change just by hitting Play even with no cassette.

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed Oct 21 20:27:11 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Narada Ian via Naktalk)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 19:27:11 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Irish Nak service?
Message-ID: <EA77D726-7BDE-49FB-ACA0-7E532DEBD6E7@gn.apc.org>

Hello Nak chums

Having moved house...and moving again when this one is sold...my Naks
2 Sankyo and 1 Classic all need servicing.
Classic wont play even though its perhaps only 5-7 ears since going to B&W and Sankyos have slipped into not rewinding to lacking spool tension and thus not playing.

As I understand these are all normal. The 300 had new belts (Marrs!) only 3 years back which is disappointing 

Anyway Im now stranded in ireland due to the endemics and dont know any source of servicing here, electronically all is perfect its drives that need a fettle

Advice and hi from a long timer albeit silent member

Ian Ramsey

From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Thu Oct 22 07:43:18 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Birger Glosimot via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 07:43:18 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Irish Nak service?
In-Reply-To: <EA77D726-7BDE-49FB-ACA0-7E532DEBD6E7@gn.apc.org>
References: <EA77D726-7BDE-49FB-ACA0-7E532DEBD6E7@gn.apc.org>
Message-ID: <000001d6a836$41430560$c3c91020$@tilkoblet.net>

My impression is that the belts seldom are the faults. Very often it is hardened idler rubber that slips on the reels. On many of my Nakamichi decks I have had them back in function from letting them run in FF and Rew for some time, then put in play without a cassette. Often this will remove the glazed/ hardened surface of the rubber and good traction is restored (I have many Nakamichi decks that I often have to "restore" (amateur) )
Also on the Sankyo drive units it is not uncommon that the back tension belt give problem.
(changing idler on the classic is a pain in the a..) for the Sankyo take care of the small plastic washer on the idler shaft. Make a small hole in an adhesive tape and put against it while you prey/wiggle it loose. Get good quality idlers. I have good results with those from  mihokm in Slovakia (on ebay) (Sankyo) and https://www.dynamtechgroup.com (both) Stay away from Revox.de unless there are nothing else to be found.

BR
Birger

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Fra: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> På vegne av Narada Ian via Naktalk
Sendt: onsdag 21. oktober 2020 20.27
Til: naktalk at lists.naks.com
Emne: [naktalk] Irish Nak service?

Hello Nak chums

Having moved house...and moving again when this one is sold...my Naks
2 Sankyo and 1 Classic all need servicing.
Classic wont play even though its perhaps only 5-7 ears since going to B&W and Sankyos have slipped into not rewinding to lacking spool tension and thus not playing.

As I understand these are all normal. The 300 had new belts (Marrs!) only 3 years back which is disappointing 

Anyway Im now stranded in ireland due to the endemics and dont know any source of servicing here, electronically all is perfect its drives that need a fettle

Advice and hi from a long timer albeit silent member

Ian Ramsey
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Nov 16 10:21:59 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Berndt-Inge Petersson via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 09:21:59 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z will not start recording
Message-ID: <VI1PR0601MB2445EF00E64AC6B1A64C97C3B5E30@VI1PR0601MB2445.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all,

I have a Nakamichi 480Z that will not start recording. I press rec and play, the control cam goes to the R position but nothing else happens except for that the capstans runs. When I press stop it does not go back to the S position. Powering off and on does not change this, the control cam is still at R position. Every other function such as play, ff, rew and pause on the deck works fine.

I have changed all four belts, cleaned the record/playback switch on the main PCB and checked voltage on all control points at the logic PCB and shut-off PCB. Also done the offset adjustment of control motor driver. Nothing in the transport seems broken.

Any suggestions on what to look at next is more than welcome. I have access to a printed service manual so you can refer to items in it if you like..

Berndt-Inge Petersson
Gothenburg
Sweden

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Nov 16 17:06:59 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (=?UTF-8?Q?P=c3=a4r_Eriksson?= via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 17:06:59 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z will not start recording
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR0601MB2445EF00E64AC6B1A64C97C3B5E30@VI1PR0601MB2445.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR0601MB2445EF00E64AC6B1A64C97C3B5E30@VI1PR0601MB2445.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <916b5b2c-5318-20da-95e5-6dbe59f47b52@telia.com>

Hej,

Check that the flex cable between the mechanism and the big switch on 
the main circuit board is okey and that it moves the switch when record 
is selected.

Hälsningar Pelle.

Den 2020-11-16 kl. 10:21, skrev Berndt-Inge Petersson via Naktalk:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have a Nakamichi 480Z that will not start recording. I press rec and 
> play, the control cam goes to the R position but nothing else happens 
> except for that the capstans runs. When I press stop it does not go 
> back to the S position. Powering off and on does not change this, the 
> control cam is still at R position. Every other function such as play, 
> ff, rew and pause on the deck works fine.
>
> I have changed all four belts, cleaned the record/playback switch on 
> the main PCB and checked voltage on all control points at the logic 
> PCB and shut-off PCB. Also done the offset adjustment of control motor 
> driver. Nothing in the transport seems broken.
>
> Any suggestions on what to look at next is more than welcome. I have 
> access to a printed service manual so you can refer to items in it if 
> you like..
>
> Berndt-Inge Petersson
>
> Gothenburg
>
> Sweden
>
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Nov 16 17:27:55 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Francis Flynn via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 10:27:55 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z will not start recording
In-Reply-To: <916b5b2c-5318-20da-95e5-6dbe59f47b52@telia.com>
References: <VI1PR0601MB2445EF00E64AC6B1A64C97C3B5E30@VI1PR0601MB2445.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
 <916b5b2c-5318-20da-95e5-6dbe59f47b52@telia.com>
Message-ID: <CACyUB3_utjuO94i285k4uGFtZ71kKbAo+EW93FbGkDzK6maVDg@mail.gmail.com>

There is also a good possibility that the mode belt is slipping.  When
placed in record mode, there is more load on this belt due to it
operating the record-play switch via the small cable to the main
circuit board.  Sometimes just working it a few times will make the
belt have a little more "grip".

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 10:07 AM Pär Eriksson via Naktalk
<naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>
> Hej,
>
> Check that the flex cable between the mechanism and the big switch on the main circuit board is okey and that it moves the switch when record is selected.
>
> Hälsningar Pelle.
>
> Den 2020-11-16 kl. 10:21, skrev Berndt-Inge Petersson via Naktalk:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I have a Nakamichi 480Z that will not start recording. I press rec and play, the control cam goes to the R position but nothing else happens except for that the capstans runs. When I press stop it does not go back to the S position. Powering off and on does not change this, the control cam is still at R position. Every other function such as play, ff, rew and pause on the deck works fine.
>
>
>
> I have changed all four belts, cleaned the record/playback switch on the main PCB and checked voltage on all control points at the logic PCB and shut-off PCB. Also done the offset adjustment of control motor driver. Nothing in the transport seems broken.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions on what to look at next is more than welcome. I have access to a printed service manual so you can refer to items in it if you like..
>
>
>
> Berndt-Inge Petersson
>
> Gothenburg
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Nov 16 17:29:00 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Francis Flynn via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 10:29:00 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z will not start recording
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR0601MB2445EF00E64AC6B1A64C97C3B5E30@VI1PR0601MB2445.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR0601MB2445EF00E64AC6B1A64C97C3B5E30@VI1PR0601MB2445.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CACyUB3-gYV5WSNWNaLxbGgCZedu26VvU23+cOcTozkk9eQYpyw@mail.gmail.com>

The mode belt is slipping, most likely.


On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 3:23 AM Berndt-Inge Petersson via Naktalk
<naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I have a Nakamichi 480Z that will not start recording. I press rec and play, the control cam goes to the R position but nothing else happens except for that the capstans runs. When I press stop it does not go back to the S position. Powering off and on does not change this, the control cam is still at R position. Every other function such as play, ff, rew and pause on the deck works fine.
>
>
>
> I have changed all four belts, cleaned the record/playback switch on the main PCB and checked voltage on all control points at the logic PCB and shut-off PCB. Also done the offset adjustment of control motor driver. Nothing in the transport seems broken.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions on what to look at next is more than welcome. I have access to a printed service manual so you can refer to items in it if you like..
>
>
>
> Berndt-Inge Petersson
>
> Gothenburg
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Nov 16 17:42:53 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Berndt-Inge Petersson via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 16:42:53 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z will not start recording
In-Reply-To: <916b5b2c-5318-20da-95e5-6dbe59f47b52@telia.com>
References: <VI1PR0601MB2445EF00E64AC6B1A64C97C3B5E30@VI1PR0601MB2445.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
 <916b5b2c-5318-20da-95e5-6dbe59f47b52@telia.com>
Message-ID: <VI1PR0601MB244526AD84460A7E3F927B64B5E30@VI1PR0601MB2445.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi

The flex cable seems okey. When I select/press rec absolutely nothing happens. Should record arm B to which the end of the linkage wire is attached move by selecting only rec?

Regards
Berndt-Inge Petersson


Från: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> För Pär Eriksson via Naktalk
Skickat: den 16 november 2020 17:07
Till: Berndt-Inge Petersson via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Ämne: Re: [naktalk] 480Z will not start recording

Hej,

Check that the flex cable between the mechanism and the big switch on the main circuit board is okey and that it moves the switch when record is selected.

Hälsningar Pelle.
Den 2020-11-16 kl. 10:21, skrev Berndt-Inge Petersson via Naktalk:
Hi all,

I have a Nakamichi 480Z that will not start recording. I press rec and play, the control cam goes to the R position but nothing else happens except for that the capstans runs. When I press stop it does not go back to the S position. Powering off and on does not change this, the control cam is still at R position. Every other function such as play, ff, rew and pause on the deck works fine.

I have changed all four belts, cleaned the record/playback switch on the main PCB and checked voltage on all control points at the logic PCB and shut-off PCB. Also done the offset adjustment of control motor driver. Nothing in the transport seems broken.

Any suggestions on what to look at next is more than welcome. I have access to a printed service manual so you can refer to items in it if you like..

Berndt-Inge Petersson
Gothenburg
Sweden




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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Nov 16 18:36:59 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Willy Hermann via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 09:36:59 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z will not start recording
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR0601MB244526AD84460A7E3F927B64B5E30@VI1PR0601MB2445.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR0601MB2445EF00E64AC6B1A64C97C3B5E30@VI1PR0601MB2445.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
 <916b5b2c-5318-20da-95e5-6dbe59f47b52@telia.com>
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Message-ID: <CAM9V8Meqvw6or=PoFm8ExLK_=W6zdQgv8Z4riGYEUPE+5XCLrw@mail.gmail.com>

Just changing the belts is never enough.  The shaft which the wheel the
loading belt goes around turns on was lubricated from the factory with a
substance which solidifies over time.  You have to take the whole transport
apart and clean that shaft and the inside of the white nylon wheel, then
relube.  The transport should then function properly.
Willy
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Tue Nov 17 14:13:55 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Berndt-Inge Petersson via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 13:13:55 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z will not start recording
In-Reply-To: <CACyUB3_utjuO94i285k4uGFtZ71kKbAo+EW93FbGkDzK6maVDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <VI1PR0601MB2445EF00E64AC6B1A64C97C3B5E30@VI1PR0601MB2445.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
 <916b5b2c-5318-20da-95e5-6dbe59f47b52@telia.com>
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Hi

Thank you for the tip. However I don't think so as the cam never leaves the R position and there is much rotation left before it's gets to the play section where the extra load begins to come in.

Berndt-Inge

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Ämne: Re: [naktalk] 480Z will not start recording

There is also a good possibility that the mode belt is slipping.  When placed in record mode, there is more load on this belt due to it operating the record-play switch via the small cable to the main circuit board.  Sometimes just working it a few times will make the belt have a little more "grip".

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 10:07 AM Pär Eriksson via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>
> Hej,
>
> Check that the flex cable between the mechanism and the big switch on the main circuit board is okey and that it moves the switch when record is selected.
>
> Hälsningar Pelle.
>
> Den 2020-11-16 kl. 10:21, skrev Berndt-Inge Petersson via Naktalk:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I have a Nakamichi 480Z that will not start recording. I press rec and play, the control cam goes to the R position but nothing else happens except for that the capstans runs. When I press stop it does not go back to the S position. Powering off and on does not change this, the control cam is still at R position. Every other function such as play, ff, rew and pause on the deck works fine.
>
>
>
> I have changed all four belts, cleaned the record/playback switch on the main PCB and checked voltage on all control points at the logic PCB and shut-off PCB. Also done the offset adjustment of control motor driver. Nothing in the transport seems broken.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions on what to look at next is more than welcome. I have access to a printed service manual so you can refer to items in it if you like..
>
>
>
> Berndt-Inge Petersson
>
> Gothenburg
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Tue Nov 17 14:27:56 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Berndt-Inge Petersson via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 13:27:56 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z will not start recording
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References: <VI1PR0601MB2445EF00E64AC6B1A64C97C3B5E30@VI1PR0601MB2445.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
 <916b5b2c-5318-20da-95e5-6dbe59f47b52@telia.com>
 <CACyUB3_utjuO94i285k4uGFtZ71kKbAo+EW93FbGkDzK6maVDg@mail.gmail.com>
 <HE1PR0601MB2441DB8BB6E3C4E5BE0865AAB5E20@HE1PR0601MB2441.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi all

I have found something that don't seems correct. I did a voltage check according to  item 4 (3)(c) Cam Timing Adjustment on page 12 in the service manual. It should have read 9.7 V (+- 0.3 V) but read 8.5 V. As I don't have an oscilloscope and knowledge with such equipment I couldn't check the other voltages.

What do you think about that measurement I made? Could that be the reason for not going into record?

Berndt-Inge


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Ämne: Re: [naktalk] 480Z will not start recording

Hi

Thank you for the tip. However I don't think so as the cam never leaves the R position and there is much rotation left before it's gets to the play section where the extra load begins to come in.

Berndt-Inge

-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
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Skickat: den 16 november 2020 17:28
Till: Pär Eriksson <nakamichi at telia.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Ämne: Re: [naktalk] 480Z will not start recording

There is also a good possibility that the mode belt is slipping.  When placed in record mode, there is more load on this belt due to it operating the record-play switch via the small cable to the main circuit board.  Sometimes just working it a few times will make the belt have a little more "grip".

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 10:07 AM Pär Eriksson via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>
> Hej,
>
> Check that the flex cable between the mechanism and the big switch on the main circuit board is okey and that it moves the switch when record is selected.
>
> Hälsningar Pelle.
>
> Den 2020-11-16 kl. 10:21, skrev Berndt-Inge Petersson via Naktalk:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I have a Nakamichi 480Z that will not start recording. I press rec and play, the control cam goes to the R position but nothing else happens except for that the capstans runs. When I press stop it does not go back to the S position. Powering off and on does not change this, the control cam is still at R position. Every other function such as play, ff, rew and pause on the deck works fine.
>
>
>
> I have changed all four belts, cleaned the record/playback switch on the main PCB and checked voltage on all control points at the logic PCB and shut-off PCB. Also done the offset adjustment of control motor driver. Nothing in the transport seems broken.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions on what to look at next is more than welcome. I have access to a printed service manual so you can refer to items in it if you like..
>
>
>
> Berndt-Inge Petersson
>
> Gothenburg
>
> Sweden
>
>
>
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Tue Nov 17 14:47:06 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Francis Flynn via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 07:47:06 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z will not start recording
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR0601MB2441F6E29D174E507ACCEA50B5E20@HE1PR0601MB2441.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <VI1PR0601MB2445EF00E64AC6B1A64C97C3B5E30@VI1PR0601MB2445.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
 <916b5b2c-5318-20da-95e5-6dbe59f47b52@telia.com>
 <CACyUB3_utjuO94i285k4uGFtZ71kKbAo+EW93FbGkDzK6maVDg@mail.gmail.com>
 <HE1PR0601MB2441DB8BB6E3C4E5BE0865AAB5E20@HE1PR0601MB2441.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
 <HE1PR0601MB2441F6E29D174E507ACCEA50B5E20@HE1PR0601MB2441.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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In that case it may be a circuitry problem.  The motor drive
transistors sometimes fail.  There is a transistor on a heat sink near
the center of the back of the chassis that may have failed.  When I
get home I can look at a schematic and give you more detail.


On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 7:28 AM Berndt-Inge Petersson via Naktalk
<naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I have found something that don't seems correct. I did a voltage check according to  item 4 (3)(c) Cam Timing Adjustment on page 12 in the service manual. It should have read 9.7 V (+- 0.3 V) but read 8.5 V. As I don't have an oscilloscope and knowledge with such equipment I couldn't check the other voltages.
>
> What do you think about that measurement I made? Could that be the reason for not going into record?
>
> Berndt-Inge
>
>
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Från: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> För Berndt-Inge Petersson via Naktalk
> Skickat: den 17 november 2020 14:14
> Till: Francis Flynn <fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Ämne: Re: [naktalk] 480Z will not start recording
>
> Hi
>
> Thank you for the tip. However I don't think so as the cam never leaves the R position and there is much rotation left before it's gets to the play section where the extra load begins to come in.
>
> Berndt-Inge
>
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Från: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> För Francis Flynn via Naktalk
> Skickat: den 16 november 2020 17:28
> Till: Pär Eriksson <nakamichi at telia.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Ämne: Re: [naktalk] 480Z will not start recording
>
> There is also a good possibility that the mode belt is slipping.  When placed in record mode, there is more load on this belt due to it operating the record-play switch via the small cable to the main circuit board.  Sometimes just working it a few times will make the belt have a little more "grip".
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 10:07 AM Pär Eriksson via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hej,
> >
> > Check that the flex cable between the mechanism and the big switch on the main circuit board is okey and that it moves the switch when record is selected.
> >
> > Hälsningar Pelle.
> >
> > Den 2020-11-16 kl. 10:21, skrev Berndt-Inge Petersson via Naktalk:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a Nakamichi 480Z that will not start recording. I press rec and play, the control cam goes to the R position but nothing else happens except for that the capstans runs. When I press stop it does not go back to the S position. Powering off and on does not change this, the control cam is still at R position. Every other function such as play, ff, rew and pause on the deck works fine.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have changed all four belts, cleaned the record/playback switch on the main PCB and checked voltage on all control points at the logic PCB and shut-off PCB. Also done the offset adjustment of control motor driver. Nothing in the transport seems broken.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any suggestions on what to look at next is more than welcome. I have access to a printed service manual so you can refer to items in it if you like..
> >
> >
> >
> > Berndt-Inge Petersson
> >
> > Gothenburg
> >
> > Sweden
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Tue Nov 24 20:19:45 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Peter Tanner via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 19:19:45 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Classic capstan belt
In-Reply-To: <b406a8e9-329e-46b4-beac-2abca137993b@Perrys-iphone>
References: <b406a8e9-329e-46b4-beac-2abca137993b@Perrys-iphone>
Message-ID: <CY4PR1301MB2119DCE0E1929FFAD99709A8DFFB0@CY4PR1301MB2119.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

Hello Perry,

Could you please give me the contact info for this company? And do you know if they have stock now? I've tried a belt from the Dynamic Technology Group for a 480Z and I got a very bad wow and flutter result. I ordered up four belts and I got them, but I am not trying the other ones. These belts are much thicker than the original Nakamichi ones. I've put the old original belt back and the sound returned to normal. The transport is fine in this deck just like in my 582 but they both run on the original belts and as they are now 40 or so years old, they probably need to be changed. Thanks in advance.

Peter

Peter

________________________________
From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of perry via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 4:55 AM
To: naktalk at lists.naks.com <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: [naktalk] Classic capstan belt


A number of us have been testing and using a new series of belts from PRB (Russell Industries) designed directly for SOME Nakamichi decks and others that require a thin cross section. The series is called FRSP. They have 3 belts available, FRSP9.6, FRSP9.2 and FRSP6.5.  The 9.6 is correct for the classic series decks. They have a wall cross section of .016” or .018”, width of .2”, and IC of stated dimension all inches.  I have personally installed the 9.6 on 6 decks so far (660zx, RX-505, 680zx, & LX-5) and all have resulted in W&F that equals or approaches my test belts I use to determine what the lowest W&F can be expected from that deck. Typically .04% to .06%.   Currently I believe they are out of stock and are scheduled to do a run this month (Aug 2020). A number of us from Tapeheads.net have orders in for them. The best part is they are (or have been) reasonably priced at under $5 a belt. They are also my source for both idler tires (classic & Sankyo) with the correct dimensions and composition.
Perry
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed Nov 25 02:04:17 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Cheryl Kaupp via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 15:04:17 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] Classic capstan belt
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References: <b406a8e9-329e-46b4-beac-2abca137993b@Perrys-iphone>
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Try this:  http://www.russellind.com/prbline/prb.htm

Cheryl

 

 

From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> On Behalf Of Peter Tanner via
Naktalk
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 9:20 AM
To: perry <perry.nak at comcast.net>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
<naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Classic capstan belt

 

Hello Perry,

 

Could you please give me the contact info for this company? And do you know
if they have stock now? I've tried a belt from the Dynamic Technology Group
for a 480Z and I got a very bad wow and flutter result. I ordered up four
belts and I got them, but I am not trying the other ones. These belts are
much thicker than the original Nakamichi ones. I've put the old original
belt back and the sound returned to normal. The transport is fine in this
deck just like in my 582 but they both run on the original belts and as they
are now 40 or so years old, they probably need to be changed. Thanks in
advance.

 

Peter

 

Peter

 

  _____  

From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com
<mailto:naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> > on behalf of perry via Naktalk
<naktalk at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com> >
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 4:55 AM
To: naktalk at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>
<naktalk at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com> >
Subject: [naktalk] Classic capstan belt 

 


A number of us have been testing and using a new series of belts from PRB
(Russell Industries) designed directly for SOME Nakamichi decks and others
that require a thin cross section. The series is called FRSP. They have 3
belts available, FRSP9.6, FRSP9.2 and FRSP6.5.  The 9.6 is correct for the
classic series decks. They have a wall cross section of .016" or .018",
width of .2", and IC of stated dimension all inches.  I have personally
installed the 9.6 on 6 decks so far (660zx, RX-505, 680zx, & LX-5) and all
have resulted in W&F that equals or approaches my test belts I use to
determine what the lowest W&F can be expected from that deck. Typically .04%
to .06%.   Currently I believe they are out of stock and are scheduled to do
a run this month (Aug 2020). A number of us from Tapeheads.net have orders
in for them. The best part is they are (or have been) reasonably priced at
under $5 a belt. They are also my source for both idler tires (classic &
Sankyo) with the correct dimensions and composition. 
Perry
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed Nov 25 02:35:50 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Francis Flynn via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 19:35:50 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Classic capstan belt
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR1301MB2119DCE0E1929FFAD99709A8DFFB0@CY4PR1301MB2119.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
References: <b406a8e9-329e-46b4-beac-2abca137993b@Perrys-iphone>
 <CY4PR1301MB2119DCE0E1929FFAD99709A8DFFB0@CY4PR1301MB2119.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CACyUB3-TPxXy-vfXWwPj+A5xE6ncCb3y5aoh7NAacKCp9fHg3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Source for PRB belts, idler tires, etc.

http://www.wjoe.com/vintageandantiques.htm

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 1:19 PM Peter Tanner via Naktalk
<naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Perry,
>
> Could you please give me the contact info for this company? And do you know if they have stock now? I've tried a belt from the Dynamic Technology Group for a 480Z and I got a very bad wow and flutter result. I ordered up four belts and I got them, but I am not trying the other ones. These belts are much thicker than the original Nakamichi ones. I've put the old original belt back and the sound returned to normal. The transport is fine in this deck just like in my 582 but they both run on the original belts and as they are now 40 or so years old, they probably need to be changed. Thanks in advance.
>
> Peter
>
> Peter
>
> ________________________________
> From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of perry via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 4:55 AM
> To: naktalk at lists.naks.com <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] Classic capstan belt
>
>
> A number of us have been testing and using a new series of belts from PRB (Russell Industries) designed directly for SOME Nakamichi decks and others that require a thin cross section. The series is called FRSP. They have 3 belts available, FRSP9.6, FRSP9.2 and FRSP6.5.  The 9.6 is correct for the classic series decks. They have a wall cross section of .016” or .018”, width of .2”, and IC of stated dimension all inches.  I have personally installed the 9.6 on 6 decks so far (660zx, RX-505, 680zx, & LX-5) and all have resulted in W&F that equals or approaches my test belts I use to determine what the lowest W&F can be expected from that deck. Typically .04% to .06%.   Currently I believe they are out of stock and are scheduled to do a run this month (Aug 2020). A number of us from Tapeheads.net have orders in for them. The best part is they are (or have been) reasonably priced at under $5 a belt. They are also my source for both idler tires (classic & Sankyo) with the correct dimensions and composition.
> Perry
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Thu Nov 26 17:54:59 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (perry via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 11:54:59 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Tested belt for the CR-7, more results on classics
Message-ID: <12169b65-7f3e-45e3-b184-3f31fe66de7d@Perrys-iphone>

Russell Industries PRB belt FRSP8.97 has excellent dimensions and had been tested on a few CR-7s with excellent results (0.03% range). I will be testing that same belt on the ZX-9 soon.

More testing has been done with the FRSP9.6 on various classic transports. Universally, so far, it as been a bust on the RX-505, fairly successful in the ZX-7 and 460/580 series and hit or miss on the 680series decks. Some people (not me) have found better success with FRSP9.2 on the 680 series. On the RX-505, the best success has been with the webspareparts belt for the 680zx or 480. The belt they sell for the ZX-7, which should be the same belt, again, is completely different in every dimension.

Testing continues.

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Nov 27 03:47:58 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Gregory Williams via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 02:47:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi TD-1200 II Security Code
References: <719462150.1964940.1606445278376.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <719462150.1964940.1606445278376@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi
I have acquired Nakamichi TD-1200 11 car radio/cassette player but do not have the 5 digit security code, Does anyone know how to successfully by-pass the code?
Regards Greg
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Nov 27 09:08:21 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (J. Free via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 00:08:21 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Are there different versions of the LX-3?
Message-ID: <553AC8D3-03DC-455A-9263-DB3BD852EBFA@sonicarchives.com>

Hello all -

I have two LX-3 decks which I purchased around the start of 2016.
The purpose for having multiple decks is that I have been digitizing a large collection of live concert recordings, and I had hoped to be able to alternate between the two decks, in order to keep them both happy and in use.
One of the two is still running great, with no issues.

Unfortunately, the second one started having issues within about a month, which is when I discovered just how difficult it *can* be to have these decks serviced locally!
The issue itself is related to adjusting the Azimuth gear for some tapes - a tape might seem to be playing fine, but the fidelity is flat or muddy sounding.
Adjusting the azimuth to fine-tune the high end improves the sound quality, but then if I rewind the tape and play it again, the deck tries to "eat" the tape!

In trying to asses the issue, I noticed that there are some minor differences regarding a few parts in the transport mechanism.
In deck number one, there are three different parts which are brass or metal.
In deck number two, the same parts are white plastic.

While talking with a local technician about the issue I've been experiencing with deck number two, they suggested that the difference is intentional; that the LX-3 with the brass parts is an older model in that line, and the deck with the plastic parts is a newer model in the same line. This surprised me to hear, since according to any documentation I've been able to find, the LX-3 was only in production for about three years at best, and it seemed surprising to me that Nakamichi would make such a drastic alteration in a specific line that only existed for such a short time.

My question to anyone on the list who might be able to help me with this is whether anyone here has ever heard anything like this, and is there any documentation someone could point me to, which might support this idea?

Here is an overhead view of deck number two (the one that's been having the issue).
Note the two parts (tension screws, perhaps?) which are white plastic; also, the little "slide" under the roller on the left is white plastic.




Compare that to the overhead inside deck number one - note that the same parts are brass - not plastic; also, the "slide" on this deck appears to be metal.



Thanks in advance to anyone who might be able to help shed some light on this!

J. Free
Hillsboro, Oregon USA


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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Nov 27 10:12:15 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Berndt-Inge Petersson via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 09:12:15 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Are there different versions of the LX-3?
In-Reply-To: <553AC8D3-03DC-455A-9263-DB3BD852EBFA@sonicarchives.com>
References: <553AC8D3-03DC-455A-9263-DB3BD852EBFA@sonicarchives.com>
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HI

I don't have an LX-3 but an 480Z. My transport looks just like yours. It have these brass part at the end of the pressure roller arm shaft ends. I think these are lock nuts used to adjust the tape travelling height. It seems that some special tool is needed to adjust these. The plastic ones seems to be user adjustable with an regular screwdriver. The little "slide" is called the supply tape guide in my service manual.

I don't think it's strange that Nakamichi changed these during the three year production run of LX-3. The transport is used in many decks so when changed it went into all decks that used it at the time.

Your problems with it trying to eat the tape could be something related to you adjusting the PB heads azimuth so much off that the pressure pad lifter start to interfere with the tape travelling path. On the other side it's not really logic as it don't do it under adjustment of the azimuth angle.

Berndt-Inge
Gothenburg
Sweden


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Skickat: den 27 november 2020 09:08
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Ämne: [naktalk] Are there different versions of the LX-3?

Hello all -

I have two LX-3 decks which I purchased around the start of 2016.
The purpose for having multiple decks is that I have been digitizing a large collection of live concert recordings, and I had hoped to be able to alternate between the two decks, in order to keep them both happy and in use.
One of the two is still running great, with no issues.

Unfortunately, the second one started having issues within about a month, which is when I discovered just how difficult it *can* be to have these decks serviced locally!
The issue itself is related to adjusting the Azimuth gear for some tapes - a tape might seem to be playing fine, but the fidelity is flat or muddy sounding.
Adjusting the azimuth to fine-tune the high end improves the sound quality, but then if I rewind the tape and play it again, the deck tries to "eat" the tape!

In trying to asses the issue, I noticed that there are some minor differences regarding a few parts in the transport mechanism.
In deck number one, there are three different parts which are brass or metal.
In deck number two, the same parts are white plastic.

While talking with a local technician about the issue I've been experiencing with deck number two, they suggested that the difference is intentional; that the LX-3 with the brass parts is an older model in that line, and the deck with the plastic parts is a newer model in the same line. This surprised me to hear, since according to any documentation I've been able to find, the LX-3 was only in production for about three years at best, and it seemed surprising to me that Nakamichi would make such a drastic alteration in a specific line that only existed for such a short time.

My question to anyone on the list who might be able to help me with this is whether anyone here has ever heard anything like this, and is there any documentation someone could point me to, which might support this idea?

Here is an overhead view of deck number two (the one that's been having the issue).
Note the two parts (tension screws, perhaps?) which are white plastic; also, the little "slide" under the roller on the left is white plastic.

[cid:image001.jpg at 01D6C4A3.555E6010]


Compare that to the overhead inside deck number one - note that the same parts are brass - not plastic; also, the "slide" on this deck appears to be metal.

[cid:image002.jpg at 01D6C4A3.555E6010]

Thanks in advance to anyone who might be able to help shed some light on this!

J. Free
Hillsboro, Oregon USA


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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Nov 27 19:19:58 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Erich Veyhl via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 13:19:58 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Re: Tested belt for the CR-7,
	more results on classics
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1606474801.24449.naktalk@lists.naks.com>
References: <mailman.1.1606474801.24449.naktalk@lists.naks.com>
Message-ID: <1606501200970.15aa3a206a750780@moosecove.org>


>Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 11:54:59 -0500
>From: perry via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
>Subject: [naktalk] Tested belt for the CR-7, more results on classics
>
>Russell Industries PRB belt FRSP8.97 has excellent dimensions and 
>had been tested on a few CR-7s with excellent results (0.03% range). 
>I will be testing that same belt on the ZX-9 soon.
>
>More testing has been done with the FRSP9.6 on various classic 
>transports. Universally, so far, it as been a bust on the RX-505, 
>fairly successful in the ZX-7 and 460/580 series and hit or miss on 
>the 680series decks. Some people (not me) have found better success 
>with FRSP9.2 on the 680 series. On the RX-505, the best success has 
>been with the webspareparts belt for the 680zx or 480. The belt they 
>sell for the ZX-7, which should be the same belt, again, is 
>completely different in every dimension.
>
>Testing continues.

Thanks for the summary of current general status.  Is there a Russell 
Industries belt that is being tested for the BX-300?


From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Nov 27 20:00:14 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (perry via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 14:00:14 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Different versions of the LX-3
Message-ID: <769da5b7-35ed-48be-a505-952052f17e44@Perrys-iphone>

No, there were not different versions. That section of the transport with the threaded round nylon “nuts” (which are used to adjust the tape path height) is not original and is likely from either a 480 or 580 deck. The older decks (682zx & older) all used the nylon nuts with white nylon supply guide. The newer decks used the split brass keepers on a non threaded shaft. The black tape guide actually is plastic, but a much harder one than the nylon. It may only be the top plate of the transport, which holds the tape guide shafts. The original heads etc could all be transplanted easily.

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Nov 27 20:30:23 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Terry Finn via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 19:30:23 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD's??
Message-ID: <000201d6c4f3$c0281e40$40785ac0$@btinternet.com>

Hi All

 

Does anybody who have  copies of the Marathon Tapes Project, CD's, found
that they will not play on

Any CD player anymore? (certainly in my case they don't)!! or did I miss
that Memo...

 

Stay safe  

 

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Nov 27 21:38:29 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Berndt-Inge Petersson via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 20:38:29 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Different versions of the LX-3
In-Reply-To: <769da5b7-35ed-48be-a505-952052f17e44@Perrys-iphone>
References: <769da5b7-35ed-48be-a505-952052f17e44@Perrys-iphone>
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Perry

Do you  know of a method to remove/adjust the splitbrass keepers? My takeup pressure roller arm has stuck to the shaft and doesn’t move up to the capstan shaft when play is activated.

Berndt-Inge
Gothenburg
Sweden

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Skickat: den 27 november 2020 20:00
Till: naktalk at lists.naks.com
Ämne: [naktalk] Different versions of the LX-3

No, there were not different versions. That section of the transport with the threaded round nylon “nuts” (which are used to adjust the tape path height) is not original and is likely from either a 480 or 580 deck. The older decks (682zx & older) all used the nylon nuts with white nylon supply guide. The newer decks used the split brass keepers on a non threaded shaft. The black tape guide actually is plastic, but a much harder one than the nylon. It may only be the top plate of the transport, which holds the tape guide shafts. The original heads etc could all be transplanted easily.

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed Dec  2 17:27:26 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Terry Finn via Naktalk)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 16:27:26 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD's not playable any more??
Message-ID: <018001d6c8c8$05d1fab0$1175f010$@btinternet.com>

Hi All

 

Anybody with  copies of the Marathon Tape, CD’s, found that they will not play on

Any CD player (certainly in my case they don’t)!!

 

T.

 

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed Dec  2 19:49:03 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (J. Free via Naktalk)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 10:49:03 -0800
Subject: [naktalk]  Different versions of the LX-3
Message-ID: <48E546B4-2579-4F3E-9244-6C11B75BF1B6@sonicarchives.com>

Hi Perry -

Thanks for that information. By any chance can you point me toward any documentation that supports the differences you outlined? I'm not doubting / questioning your information, but it *might* be helpful, if I could see the source for that information, to share with the people who are servicing my decks at this time.

I *do* have a service manual and a brochure in .pdf format, but I'm afraid I can't really discern one thing from another from the black + white illustrations, and the few color images in the brochure don't really show what I would like to see inside the deck.

It was surprising to me to learn, for instance, that it was the *older* decks which used all the white nylon parts - I would have thought it would have been the other way around!

Thanks for anything you might be able share with me about this!

J. Free / Sonic Archives
Hillsboro OR
www.sonicarchives.com

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From: perry via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: [naktalk] Different versions of the LX-3
Date: November 27, 2020 at 11:00:14 AM PST
To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
Reply-To: perry <perry.nak at comcast.net>, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>

No, there were not different versions. That section of the transport with the threaded round nylon “nuts” (which are used to adjust the tape path height) is not original and is likely from either a 480 or 580 deck. The older decks (682zx & older) all used the nylon nuts with white nylon supply guide. The newer decks used the split brass keepers on a non threaded shaft. The black tape guide actually is plastic, but a much harder one than the nylon. It may only be the top plate of the transport, which holds the tape guide shafts. The original heads etc could all be transplanted easily.


From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Thu Dec  3 01:55:51 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (J. Free via Naktalk)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 16:55:51 -0800
Subject: [naktalk]  Different versions of the LX-3
Message-ID: <2BCD6294-ACEB-46B7-8CB5-BC50C021883D@sonicarchives.com>

Hi Perry -

I’m sure that the pictures in the manuals are accurate, it’s just that I can’t tell what I’m looking at - or what I should be looking for.

On page 6 of the 680 Service Manual, it’s plain as day which part is the Supply Tape Guide Adjustment [the white nylon "nut"], because of the view that is provided.

However, on page 9 of the LX-3 Service Manual, I can identify the Supply Tape Guide (the part I had previously referred to as a “slide”, but looking at the parts breakdown on pages 8 and 9, it’s just not clear to me where is the brass roller I mentioned [you referred to this as split brass keepers on a non threaded shaft]. The exploded view is hard for me to follow, I'm afraid.

I understand that some Sankyo transports could be transplanted into other decks, and I’m pretty sure that’s what I’m dealing with, regarding the LX-3 that’s been trying to eat my tapes. I’m just trying to get a very clear perspective on this, before I hand my LX-3 over to someone to be serviced, so they know if they are dealing with a modification rather than a standard issue.

J. Free / Sonic Archives
Hillsboro OR
www.sonicarchives.com

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------ Original Message ------

On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:24 PM, perry <perry.nak at comcast.net> wrote:

You can simply download the service manuals for the LX-3 and 680zx off hifiengine. There is a parts breakdown for each transport. The pics are accurate. I’ve worked on at least 20 of each of those decks. It is what it is.

 - - - -

From: J. Free
To: Perry Esposito, via Naktalk
Sent: December 2, 2020 at 1:49 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Different versions of the LX-3

Hi Perry - Thanks for that information. By any chance can you point me toward any documentation that supports the differences you outlined? I'm not doubting / questioning your information, but it *might* be helpful, if I could see the source for that information, to share with the people who are servicing my decks at this time. I *do* have a service manual and a brochure in .pdf format, but I'm afraid I can't really discern one thing from another from the black + white illustrations, and the few color images in the brochure don't really show what I would like to see inside the deck. It was surprising to me to learn, for instance, that it was the *older* decks which used all the white nylon parts - I would have thought it would have been the other way around! Thanks for anything you might be able share with me about this!


From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Thu Dec  3 11:15:13 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Bob Naylor via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 05:15:13 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD's not playable any more??
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References: <018001d6c8c8$05d1fab0$1175f010$@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAKfmrpMDbLvy13JJ8ZrHmHp9PEz5X_hyVXuG++d0OHn5fkt=tg@mail.gmail.com>

Try the CD writer drive in your PC.
Bob N

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 11:27 AM Terry Finn via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
wrote:

> Hi All
>
>
>
> Anybody with  copies of the Marathon Tape, CD’s, found that they will not
> play on
>
> Any CD player (certainly in my case they don’t)!!
>
>
>
> T.
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Dec  4 03:22:40 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 03:22:40 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Dec  4 18:45:25 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Terry Finn via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 17:45:25 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD's not playable any more??
In-Reply-To: <CAKfmrpMDbLvy13JJ8ZrHmHp9PEz5X_hyVXuG++d0OHn5fkt=tg@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAKfmrpMDbLvy13JJ8ZrHmHp9PEz5X_hyVXuG++d0OHn5fkt=tg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Bob

 

Took your advice and tried a Samsung DVD portable Writer with the laptop

 

Same as other players, once CD is inserted  disc spins up, data light starts to flash,

trying to read the TOC, after about 30 seconds goes out. Depending on the player used

Disc either stays spinning or stops.

Happens only with  Marathon CDs ( I have, 1 x Vol.1 and 2 x Vol.11)

Sets No’s: 060 and 061, 2004.

 

Any other suggestions from any one before they go to the Shredder????

 

Thanks

 

Terry 

 

From: Naktalk [mailto:naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor via Naktalk
Sent: 03 December 2020 10:15
To: tpfinn at btinternet.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD's not playable any more??

 

Try the CD writer drive in your PC.

Bob N

 

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 11:27 AM Terry Finn via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com> > wrote:

Hi All

 

Anybody with  copies of the Marathon Tape, CD’s, found that they will not play on

Any CD player (certainly in my case they don’t)!!

 

T.

 

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Dec  4 23:29:23 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (InternodeDT via Naktalk)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 08:29:23 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD's not playable any more??
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Message-ID: <1aff81fd-26d5-4685-9f1f-7791e6cef497@Spark>

Sounds like a faulty CD to me. I have no problem with them on an Arcam player.
On 5 Dec 2020, 3:45 AM +1000, Terry Finn via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>, wrote:
> Hi Bob
>
> Took your advice and tried a Samsung DVD portable Writer with the laptop
>
> Same as other players, once CD is inserted  disc spins up, data light starts to flash,
> trying to read the TOC, after about 30 seconds goes out. Depending on the player used
> Disc either stays spinning or stops.
> Happens only with  Marathon CDs ( I have, 1 x Vol.1 and 2 x Vol.11)
> Sets No’s: 060 and 061, 2004.
>
> Any other suggestions from any one before they go to the Shredder????
>
> Thanks
>
> Terry
>
> From: Naktalk [mailto:naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor via Naktalk
> Sent: 03 December 2020 10:15
> To: tpfinn at btinternet.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD's not playable any more??
>
> Try the CD writer drive in your PC.
> Bob N
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 11:27 AM Terry Finn via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
> > quote_type
> > Hi All
> >
> > Anybody with  copies of the Marathon Tape, CD’s, found that they will not play on
> > Any CD player (certainly in my case they don’t)!!
> >
> > T.
> >
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Dec  4 23:55:27 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Les Morgan via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 16:55:27 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD's not playable any more??
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Message-ID: <71347F43-1B2C-4176-AB31-78877531EE75@twc.com>

Any signs of dirt or scratching?

Might be worth trying a resurfacing compound?

Les Morgan
Pax Domini Sit Semper Vobiscum
Et
Illegitimi Non Carborundum

> On Dec 4, 2020, at 12:21 PM, Terry Finn via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Bob
>  
> Took your advice and tried a Samsung DVD portable Writer with the laptop
>  
> Same as other players, once CD is inserted  disc spins up, data light starts to flash,
> trying to read the TOC, after about 30 seconds goes out. Depending on the player used
> Disc either stays spinning or stops.
> Happens only with  Marathon CDs ( I have, 1 x Vol.1 and 2 x Vol.11)
> Sets No’s: 060 and 061, 2004.
>  
> Any other suggestions from any one before they go to the Shredder????
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Terry
>  
> From: Naktalk [mailto:naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor via Naktalk
> Sent: 03 December 2020 10:15
> To: tpfinn at btinternet.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD's not playable any more??
>  
> Try the CD writer drive in your PC.
> Bob N
>  
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 11:27 AM Terry Finn via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
> Hi All
>  
> Anybody with  copies of the Marathon Tape, CD’s, found that they will not play on
> Any CD player (certainly in my case they don’t)!!
>  
> T.
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From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Mark Exstedt via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 22:31:14 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 Tray does not Eject upon Pressing Eject Button
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Cassette tray does not open when I press the eject button.
If I press the eject button (will eject about 1/8") and pull it open (using my finger at the bottom of the tray), it opens.


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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sat Dec  5 06:51:13 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Wouter Heijke via Naktalk)
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2020 06:51:13 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD's not playable any more??
In-Reply-To: <00d501d6ca65$3f940060$bebc0120$@btinternet.com>
References: <018001d6c8c8$05d1fab0$1175f010$@btinternet.com>
 <CAKfmrpMDbLvy13JJ8ZrHmHp9PEz5X_hyVXuG++d0OHn5fkt=tg@mail.gmail.com>
 <00d501d6ca65$3f940060$bebc0120$@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <131be5490a0729dced413af237621aeb@xs4all.nl>

Hi Terry,

I'm afraid it is what in the end might happen to CD-R's, it happened to 
me as well. Some of these are not meant for 'backups' that are in any 
way important.
Making cassette duplicates would have been a safer solution at the time!
No clue where my own set is anyway...

Wouter


On 2020-12-04 18:45, Terry Finn via Naktalk wrote:
> Hi Bob
> 
> Took your advice and tried a Samsung DVD portable Writer with the
> laptop
> 
> Same as other players, once CD is inserted  disc spins up, data light
> starts to flash,
> 
>  trying to read the TOC, after about 30 seconds goes out. Depending on
> the player used
> 
> Disc either stays spinning or stops.
> 
> Happens only with  Marathon CDs ( I have, 1 x Vol.1 and 2 x Vol.11)
> 
> Sets No’s: 060 and 061, 2004.
> 
> Any other suggestions from any one before they go to the Shredder????
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Terry
> 
> From: Naktalk [mailto:naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob
> Naylor via Naktalk
> Sent: 03 December 2020 10:15
> To: tpfinn at btinternet.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
> <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD's not playable any more??
> 
> Try the CD writer drive in your PC.
> 
> Bob N
> 
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 11:27 AM Terry Finn via Naktalk
> <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi All
>> 
>> Anybody with  copies of the Marathon Tape, CD’s, found that they
>> will not play on
>> 
>> Any CD player (certainly in my case they don’t)!!
>> 
>> T.
>> 
>> 


From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sat Dec  5 16:18:33 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Salvatore via Naktalk)
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2020 10:18:33 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD's not playable any more??
In-Reply-To: <131be5490a0729dced413af237621aeb@xs4all.nl>
References: <018001d6c8c8$05d1fab0$1175f010$@btinternet.com>
 <CAKfmrpMDbLvy13JJ8ZrHmHp9PEz5X_hyVXuG++d0OHn5fkt=tg@mail.gmail.com>
 <00d501d6ca65$3f940060$bebc0120$@btinternet.com>
 <131be5490a0729dced413af237621aeb@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <ct8nsfdtphfmp849gctsl0ml67ld6l1cji@4ax.com>

An old low speed CD player in a vintage PC might get you a useful play.

Small chance but worth a try before shredding.

Sal

On Sat, 05 Dec 2020 06:51:13 +0100, you wrote:

>Hi Terry,
>
>I'm afraid it is what in the end might happen to CD-R's, it happened to 
>me as well. Some of these are not meant for 'backups' that are in any 
>way important.
>Making cassette duplicates would have been a safer solution at the time!
>No clue where my own set is anyway...
>
>Wouter
>
>
>On 2020-12-04 18:45, Terry Finn via Naktalk wrote:
>> Hi Bob
>> 
>> Took your advice and tried a Samsung DVD portable Writer with the
>> laptop
>> 
>> Same as other players, once CD is inserted  disc spins up, data light
>> starts to flash,
>> 
>>  trying to read the TOC, after about 30 seconds goes out. Depending on
>> the player used
>> 
>> Disc either stays spinning or stops.
>> 
>> Happens only with  Marathon CDs ( I have, 1 x Vol.1 and 2 x Vol.11)
>> 
>> Sets No’s: 060 and 061, 2004.
>> 
>> Any other suggestions from any one before they go to the Shredder????
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Terry
>> 
>> From: Naktalk [mailto:naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob
>> Naylor via Naktalk
>> Sent: 03 December 2020 10:15
>> To: tpfinn at btinternet.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD's not playable any more??
>> 
>> Try the CD writer drive in your PC.
>> 
>> Bob N
>> 
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 11:27 AM Terry Finn via Naktalk
>> <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All
>>> 
>>> Anybody with  copies of the Marathon Tape, CD’s, found that they
>>> will not play on
>>> 
>>> Any CD player (certainly in my case they don’t)!!
>>> 
>>> T.
>>> 
>>> 
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Dec  6 16:54:46 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Terry Finn via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 15:54:46 -0000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD's not playable any more??
In-Reply-To: <ct8nsfdtphfmp849gctsl0ml67ld6l1cji@4ax.com>
References: <018001d6c8c8$05d1fab0$1175f010$@btinternet.com>
 <CAKfmrpMDbLvy13JJ8ZrHmHp9PEz5X_hyVXuG++d0OHn5fkt=tg@mail.gmail.com>
 <00d501d6ca65$3f940060$bebc0120$@btinternet.com>
 <131be5490a0729dced413af237621aeb@xs4all.nl>
 <ct8nsfdtphfmp849gctsl0ml67ld6l1cji@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <003b01d6cbe8$1ef2ad00$5cd80700$@btinternet.com>

Hi Healer

"Low speed" , new one on me? What might that be?
Have  tried Comp player, Hifi player and car player so far.

Are you referring to a portable DiscMan or the like??

Thanks

T.



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From: Naktalk [mailto:naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com] On Behalf Of Salvatore via Naktalk
Sent: 05 December 2020 15:19
To: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD's not playable any more??

An old low speed CD player in a vintage PC might get you a useful play.

Small chance but worth a try before shredding.

Sal

On Sat, 05 Dec 2020 06:51:13 +0100, you wrote:

>Hi Terry,
>
>I'm afraid it is what in the end might happen to CD-R's, it happened to 
>me as well. Some of these are not meant for 'backups' that are in any 
>way important.
>Making cassette duplicates would have been a safer solution at the time!
>No clue where my own set is anyway...
>
>Wouter
>
>
>On 2020-12-04 18:45, Terry Finn via Naktalk wrote:
>> Hi Bob
>> 
>> Took your advice and tried a Samsung DVD portable Writer with the 
>> laptop
>> 
>> Same as other players, once CD is inserted  disc spins up, data light 
>> starts to flash,
>> 
>>  trying to read the TOC, after about 30 seconds goes out. Depending 
>> on the player used
>> 
>> Disc either stays spinning or stops.
>> 
>> Happens only with  Marathon CDs ( I have, 1 x Vol.1 and 2 x Vol.11)
>> 
>> Sets No’s: 060 and 061, 2004.
>> 
>> Any other suggestions from any one before they go to the Shredder????
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Terry
>> 
>> From: Naktalk [mailto:naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Bob Naylor via Naktalk
>> Sent: 03 December 2020 10:15
>> To: tpfinn at btinternet.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
>> <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD's not playable any more??
>> 
>> Try the CD writer drive in your PC.
>> 
>> Bob N
>> 
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 11:27 AM Terry Finn via Naktalk 
>> <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All
>>> 
>>> Anybody with  copies of the Marathon Tape, CD’s, found that they 
>>> will not play on
>>> 
>>> Any CD player (certainly in my case they don’t)!!
>>> 
>>> T.
>>> 
>>> 
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Dec  6 14:52:57 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (The Greenleaf's via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 08:52:57 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD's not playable any more??
In-Reply-To: <1aff81fd-26d5-4685-9f1f-7791e6cef497@Spark>
References: <018001d6c8c8$05d1fab0$1175f010$@btinternet.com>
 <CAKfmrpMDbLvy13JJ8ZrHmHp9PEz5X_hyVXuG++d0OHn5fkt=tg@mail.gmail.com>
 <00d501d6ca65$3f940060$bebc0120$@btinternet.com>
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Message-ID: <8369e9ea-b52d-d1c6-4275-77713ba17cb2@cfl.rr.com>

Make sure when you write the CD make sure that your software is writing 
a "Red book" compliant disc if you want to "play" the CD as an audio 
disc.  Some software does this automatically if you select "audio" disc 
before writing.  Sounds like your discs were written as "data" discs and 
not "audio" discs.

Bill

On 12/4/2020 5:29 PM, InternodeDT via Naktalk wrote:
> Sounds like a faulty CD to me. I have no problem with them on an Arcam 
> player.
> On 5 Dec 2020, 3:45 AM +1000, Terry Finn via Naktalk 
> <naktalk at lists.naks.com>, wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bob
>>
>> Took your advice and tried a Samsung DVD portable Writer with the laptop
>>
>> Same as other players, once CD is inserted  disc spins up, data light 
>> starts to flash,
>>
>> trying to read the TOC, after about 30 seconds goes out. Depending on 
>> the player used
>>
>> Disc either stays spinning or stops.
>>
>> Happens only with  Marathon CDs ( I have, 1 x Vol.1 and 2 x Vol.11)
>>
>> Sets No’s: 060 and 061, 2004.
>>
>> Any other suggestions from any one before they go to the Shredder????
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Terry
>>
>> *From:* Naktalk [mailto:naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com] *On Behalf 
>> Of* Bob Naylor via Naktalk
>> *Sent:* 03 December 2020 10:15
>> *To:* tpfinn at btinternet.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
>> <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD's not playable any more??
>>
>> Try the CD writer drive in your PC.
>>
>> Bob N
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 11:27 AM Terry Finn via Naktalk 
>> <naktalk at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi All
>>
>>     Anybody with  copies of the Marathon Tape, CD’s, found that they
>>     will not play on
>>
>>     Any CD player (certainly in my case they don’t)!!
>>
>>     T.
>>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Dec  7 04:54:31 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Jon Jonssen via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 03:54:31 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD's not playable any more??
In-Reply-To: <8369e9ea-b52d-d1c6-4275-77713ba17cb2@cfl.rr.com>
References: <018001d6c8c8$05d1fab0$1175f010$@btinternet.com>
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 <00d501d6ca65$3f940060$bebc0120$@btinternet.com>
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Assuming you have a PC with a disc drive, put them in there and examine with explorer. In audio format they should show as *.wav files. An audio CD should play with Windows Media Player or similar.

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From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of The Greenleaf's via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: 06 December 2020 1:52 PM
To: InternodeDT via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD's not playable any more??


Make sure when you write the CD make sure that your software is writing a "Red book" compliant disc if you want to "play" the CD as an audio disc.  Some software does this automatically if you select "audio" disc before writing.  Sounds like your discs were written as "data" discs and not "audio" discs.

Bill

On 12/4/2020 5:29 PM, InternodeDT via Naktalk wrote:
Sounds like a faulty CD to me. I have no problem with them on an Arcam player.
On 5 Dec 2020, 3:45 AM +1000, Terry Finn via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com><mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>, wrote:

Hi Bob



Took your advice and tried a Samsung DVD portable Writer with the laptop



Same as other players, once CD is inserted  disc spins up, data light starts to flash,

trying to read the TOC, after about 30 seconds goes out. Depending on the player used

Disc either stays spinning or stops.

Happens only with  Marathon CDs ( I have, 1 x Vol.1 and 2 x Vol.11)

Sets No’s: 060 and 061, 2004.



Any other suggestions from any one before they go to the Shredder????



Thanks



Terry



From: Naktalk [mailto:naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor via Naktalk
Sent: 03 December 2020 10:15
To: tpfinn at btinternet.com<mailto:tpfinn at btinternet.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com><mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD's not playable any more??



Try the CD writer drive in your PC.

Bob N



On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 11:27 AM Terry Finn via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com<mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> wrote:

Hi All



Anybody with  copies of the Marathon Tape, CD’s, found that they will not play on

Any CD player (certainly in my case they don’t)!!



T.



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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Dec  7 05:06:35 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Jon Jonssen via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 04:06:35 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD's not playable any more??
In-Reply-To: <003b01d6cbe8$1ef2ad00$5cd80700$@btinternet.com>
References: <018001d6c8c8$05d1fab0$1175f010$@btinternet.com>
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 <00d501d6ca65$3f940060$bebc0120$@btinternet.com>
 <131be5490a0729dced413af237621aeb@xs4all.nl>
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Older disc drives (circa 1990s) rotated at lower speeds (x4, x8 etc.).  But that shouldn't really make any difference and later drives should slow down if required to get a read.

It could be that the CD-Rs have deteriorated. You could try a digital audio extract on a better quality drive like a Plextor. (A CD drive rather than a DVD may be worth a try...)

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From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of Terry Finn via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: 06 December 2020 3:54 PM
To: healer at Grailworks.org <healer at Grailworks.org>; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD's not playable any more??

Hi Healer

"Low speed" , new one on me? What might that be?
Have  tried Comp player, Hifi player and car player so far.

Are you referring to a portable DiscMan or the like??

Thanks

T.



-----Original Message-----
From: Naktalk [mailto:naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com] On Behalf Of Salvatore via Naktalk
Sent: 05 December 2020 15:19
To: Wouter Heijke <wheijke at xs4all.nl>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD's not playable any more??

An old low speed CD player in a vintage PC might get you a useful play.

Small chance but worth a try before shredding.

Sal

On Sat, 05 Dec 2020 06:51:13 +0100, you wrote:

>Hi Terry,
>
>I'm afraid it is what in the end might happen to CD-R's, it happened to
>me as well. Some of these are not meant for 'backups' that are in any
>way important.
>Making cassette duplicates would have been a safer solution at the time!
>No clue where my own set is anyway...
>
>Wouter
>
>
>On 2020-12-04 18:45, Terry Finn via Naktalk wrote:
>> Hi Bob
>>
>> Took your advice and tried a Samsung DVD portable Writer with the
>> laptop
>>
>> Same as other players, once CD is inserted  disc spins up, data light
>> starts to flash,
>>
>>  trying to read the TOC, after about 30 seconds goes out. Depending
>> on the player used
>>
>> Disc either stays spinning or stops.
>>
>> Happens only with  Marathon CDs ( I have, 1 x Vol.1 and 2 x Vol.11)
>>
>> Sets No’s: 060 and 061, 2004.
>>
>> Any other suggestions from any one before they go to the Shredder????
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Terry
>>
>> From: Naktalk [mailto:naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com] On Behalf Of
>> Bob Naylor via Naktalk
>> Sent: 03 December 2020 10:15
>> To: tpfinn at btinternet.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
>> <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape CD's not playable any more??
>>
>> Try the CD writer drive in your PC.
>>
>> Bob N
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 11:27 AM Terry Finn via Naktalk
>> <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> Anybody with  copies of the Marathon Tape, CD’s, found that they
>>> will not play on
>>>
>>> Any CD player (certainly in my case they don’t)!!
>>>
>>> T.
>>>
>>>
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Feb 14 06:19:54 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Fran Cap via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 00:19:54 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Lx-5 ringing/hum
Message-ID: <CAGF+H7X64wQTYPpQb5r2CahGj+a2sG7CNyZDhZDgNmYg_tfcuA@mail.gmail.com>

My lx-5 has developed a ringing noise (around 12-13khz or so). The noise is
proportional to the volume of the audio being played/recorded. It's present
in both source and tape. Already had the deck serviced last year but went
through and cleaned all ext pots/switches/jacks and same issue. Any
thoughts?
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Feb 14 14:16:10 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Francis Flynn via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:16:10 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Lx-5 ringing/hum
In-Reply-To: <CAGF+H7X64wQTYPpQb5r2CahGj+a2sG7CNyZDhZDgNmYg_tfcuA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGF+H7X64wQTYPpQb5r2CahGj+a2sG7CNyZDhZDgNmYg_tfcuA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACyUB388GG0DFGyZVPK-bq15L45DM_PcnYCNzd+-NKfasvOwnA@mail.gmail.com>

Try cleaning the play-record switch.  It's a very long slide switch
that changes the circuitry from play to record.  Also check that the
cable that operates it is installed correctly.  If it was serviced,
they might have had the transport out and may have installed it wrong.
It's a mechanical cable rather than electrical, much like a brake
cable on a bicycle.

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 11:20 PM Fran Cap via Naktalk
<naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>
> My lx-5 has developed a ringing noise (around 12-13khz or so). The noise is proportional to the volume of the audio being played/recorded. It's present in both source and tape. Already had the deck serviced last year but went through and cleaned all ext pots/switches/jacks and same issue. Any thoughts?
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Feb 14 14:59:40 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Francis Flynn via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:59:40 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Lx-5 ringing/hum
In-Reply-To: <CAGF+H7X64wQTYPpQb5r2CahGj+a2sG7CNyZDhZDgNmYg_tfcuA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGF+H7X64wQTYPpQb5r2CahGj+a2sG7CNyZDhZDgNmYg_tfcuA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACyUB3_BUvuaGmUrWFrZbWOtcO-5C3Ut4kmmDNPp+HHhpDD+yA@mail.gmail.com>

Actually, before you dig into the deck, just try changing from play to
record several times.  Use a tape that isn't valuable and still has
the record prevent tab not broken out.  Just working that R/P switch a
few times may be enough to clear whatever dust or oxidation may be on
the contacts.  This might be a very easy fix.  Good luck.

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 11:20 PM Fran Cap via Naktalk
<naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>
> My lx-5 has developed a ringing noise (around 12-13khz or so). The noise is proportional to the volume of the audio being played/recorded. It's present in both source and tape. Already had the deck serviced last year but went through and cleaned all ext pots/switches/jacks and same issue. Any thoughts?
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> Maintain your account here: http://lists.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sat Feb 15 23:35:25 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Fran Cap via Naktalk)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 17:35:25 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Lx-5 ringing/hum
In-Reply-To: <CACyUB3_BUvuaGmUrWFrZbWOtcO-5C3Ut4kmmDNPp+HHhpDD+yA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGF+H7X64wQTYPpQb5r2CahGj+a2sG7CNyZDhZDgNmYg_tfcuA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACyUB3_BUvuaGmUrWFrZbWOtcO-5C3Ut4kmmDNPp+HHhpDD+yA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGF+H7WLmHHXjB=ubZsZXTL+E2tuLEj=nOdNm2s9kNhjxT58jA@mail.gmail.com>

Cleaned it out pretty well.
Noise is still there. Its also present just listening to source so I think
it would be in the playback amp. When I play a tape I recorded on the lx-5
in another deck the noise isn't there so that narrows down things a bit
more. Anyone have a schematic of the playback amp?

On Fri, Feb 14, 2020, 8:59 AM Francis Flynn <fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Actually, before you dig into the deck, just try changing from play to
> record several times.  Use a tape that isn't valuable and still has
> the record prevent tab not broken out.  Just working that R/P switch a
> few times may be enough to clear whatever dust or oxidation may be on
> the contacts.  This might be a very easy fix.  Good luck.
>
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 11:20 PM Fran Cap via Naktalk
> <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
> >
> > My lx-5 has developed a ringing noise (around 12-13khz or so). The noise
> is proportional to the volume of the audio being played/recorded. It's
> present in both source and tape. Already had the deck serviced last year
> but went through and cleaned all ext pots/switches/jacks and same issue.
> Any thoughts?
> >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >           Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com
> >
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
> >                         Naktalk at lists.naks.com mailinglist
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> http://lists.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Feb 16 12:31:49 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (bb via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 12:31:49 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] http://www.nakremotes.com
In-Reply-To: <1774157168.1343189.1498756169437@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <5DE555CE-531D-457E-B814-94D4629B323A@me.com>
 <HE1P189MB04911F190399D829772DEEA5DEDC0@HE1P189MB0491.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <1774157168.1343189.1498756169437@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c7b459ce-2ad6-3cc4-7d79-4f2e6c8cf6cb@gmail.com>

Hi Scott,

This is Bernard from Naktalk.

I just realized that your various service bulletins were no longer 
available on Nakremotes.com via the wiki pages of Naktalk.

Do you have a new URL where I could download them ?
Best Regards from France

Bernard



From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Feb 16 22:15:53 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Fran Cap via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 16:15:53 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Lx-5 ringing/hum
In-Reply-To: <CAGF+H7WLmHHXjB=ubZsZXTL+E2tuLEj=nOdNm2s9kNhjxT58jA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGF+H7X64wQTYPpQb5r2CahGj+a2sG7CNyZDhZDgNmYg_tfcuA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACyUB3_BUvuaGmUrWFrZbWOtcO-5C3Ut4kmmDNPp+HHhpDD+yA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGF+H7WLmHHXjB=ubZsZXTL+E2tuLEj=nOdNm2s9kNhjxT58jA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGF+H7UBxnD2xxg2BD8uuupbThgqhZQVEzpJrNUN6erTMe-OYg@mail.gmail.com>

Ok update. With the schematic in hand I went through the playback circuit
and tried the following:
Desoldered and checked output stage transistors
Checked all caps in playback circuit were in spec
Checked muting transistors
Swapped in spare 4558 op amp.

Still have the ringing. I'm kinda at a loss atm. Line out is still 100%
clean however 🤔.


On Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 5:35 PM Fran Cap <tacomankratos at gmail.com> wrote:

> Cleaned it out pretty well.
> Noise is still there. Its also present just listening to source so I think
> it would be in the playback amp. When I play a tape I recorded on the lx-5
> in another deck the noise isn't there so that narrows down things a bit
> more. Anyone have a schematic of the playback amp?
>
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2020, 8:59 AM Francis Flynn <fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Actually, before you dig into the deck, just try changing from play to
>> record several times.  Use a tape that isn't valuable and still has
>> the record prevent tab not broken out.  Just working that R/P switch a
>> few times may be enough to clear whatever dust or oxidation may be on
>> the contacts.  This might be a very easy fix.  Good luck.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 11:20 PM Fran Cap via Naktalk
>> <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > My lx-5 has developed a ringing noise (around 12-13khz or so). The
>> noise is proportional to the volume of the audio being played/recorded.
>> It's present in both source and tape. Already had the deck serviced last
>> year but went through and cleaned all ext pots/switches/jacks and same
>> issue. Any thoughts?
>> >
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>> >           Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com
>> >
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>> >                         Naktalk at lists.naks.com mailinglist
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>> http://lists.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Feb 16 23:15:01 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Fran Cap via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 17:15:01 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Lx-5 ringing/hum
In-Reply-To: <CACyUB38ZiSe-W0d=GNgp5-4QTCWxab7aVtb-HtOPLPp83UVQoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGF+H7X64wQTYPpQb5r2CahGj+a2sG7CNyZDhZDgNmYg_tfcuA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACyUB3_BUvuaGmUrWFrZbWOtcO-5C3Ut4kmmDNPp+HHhpDD+yA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGF+H7WLmHHXjB=ubZsZXTL+E2tuLEj=nOdNm2s9kNhjxT58jA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGF+H7UBxnD2xxg2BD8uuupbThgqhZQVEzpJrNUN6erTMe-OYg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAGF+H7UyB3Tm5pQHgBYwyzzL_zheC826w-0VmMKx1ya7U5xS5w@mail.gmail.com>

It was completely recapped. :(

Good news however!
I seem to have solved it for now...I went for the nuclear option and added
new ground wires from the amp to chassy and from the headphone jack to
chassy and it's fixed. :D. I suspect one of the grounds was bad and there
was a voltage flowing across the case. 😤

On Sun, Feb 16, 2020, 4:36 PM Francis Flynn <fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I would suspect electrolytic capacitors.  After so many years, they tend
> to dry up and become more or less an open circuit.  Sorry, it looks like
> that copy of the service manual does not include a schematic diagram.   Can
> you take it back to the last person who worked on it?
>
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 3:16 PM Fran Cap <tacomankratos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok update. With the schematic in hand I went through the playback circuit
>> and tried the following:
>> Desoldered and checked output stage transistors
>> Checked all caps in playback circuit were in spec
>> Checked muting transistors
>> Swapped in spare 4558 op amp.
>>
>> Still have the ringing. I'm kinda at a loss atm. Line out is still 100%
>> clean however 🤔.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 5:35 PM Fran Cap <tacomankratos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cleaned it out pretty well.
>>> Noise is still there. Its also present just listening to source so I
>>> think it would be in the playback amp. When I play a tape I recorded on the
>>> lx-5 in another deck the noise isn't there so that narrows down things a
>>> bit more. Anyone have a schematic of the playback amp?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2020, 8:59 AM Francis Flynn <fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually, before you dig into the deck, just try changing from play to
>>>> record several times.  Use a tape that isn't valuable and still has
>>>> the record prevent tab not broken out.  Just working that R/P switch a
>>>> few times may be enough to clear whatever dust or oxidation may be on
>>>> the contacts.  This might be a very easy fix.  Good luck.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 11:20 PM Fran Cap via Naktalk
>>>> <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > My lx-5 has developed a ringing noise (around 12-13khz or so). The
>>>> noise is proportional to the volume of the audio being played/recorded.
>>>> It's present in both source and tape. Already had the deck serviced last
>>>> year but went through and cleaned all ext pots/switches/jacks and same
>>>> issue. Any thoughts?
>>>> >
>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>> >           Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com
>>>> >
>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>>> >                         Naktalk at lists.naks.com mailinglist
>>>> > Maintain your account here:
>>>> http://lists.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>>>> >
>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Feb 16 18:26:52 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Garner, Scott H via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 17:26:52 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] EXTERNAL:  http://www.nakremotes.com
In-Reply-To: <c7b459ce-2ad6-3cc4-7d79-4f2e6c8cf6cb@gmail.com>
References: <5DE555CE-531D-457E-B814-94D4629B323A@me.com>
 <HE1P189MB04911F190399D829772DEEA5DEDC0@HE1P189MB0491.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <1774157168.1343189.1498756169437@mail.yahoo.com>
 <c7b459ce-2ad6-3cc4-7d79-4f2e6c8cf6cb@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <405671a372be48ecb133722fd9c29215@lmco.com>

Bernard,

I'm not sure you have the right guy. Are you looking for my write up on calibrating the 1000zxl or my Dolby C right up.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> On Behalf Of bb via Naktalk
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 4:32 AM
To: Scott Johnson via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: EXTERNAL: [naktalk] http://www.nakremotes.com

Hi Scott,

This is Bernard from Naktalk.

I just realized that your various service bulletins were no longer available on Nakremotes.com via the wiki pages of Naktalk.

Do you have a new URL where I could download them ?
Best Regards from France

Bernard


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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Feb 16 23:34:56 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Daniel Botelho via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 17:34:56 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Lx-5 ringing/hum
In-Reply-To: <CAGF+H7UyB3Tm5pQHgBYwyzzL_zheC826w-0VmMKx1ya7U5xS5w@mail.gmail.com>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Feb 17 02:50:32 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Tom Brucker via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 19:50:32 -0600
Subject: [naktalk] Lx-5 ringing/hum
In-Reply-To: <CAGF+H7WLmHHXjB=ubZsZXTL+E2tuLEj=nOdNm2s9kNhjxT58jA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGF+H7X64wQTYPpQb5r2CahGj+a2sG7CNyZDhZDgNmYg_tfcuA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACyUB3_BUvuaGmUrWFrZbWOtcO-5C3Ut4kmmDNPp+HHhpDD+yA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGF+H7WLmHHXjB=ubZsZXTL+E2tuLEj=nOdNm2s9kNhjxT58jA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAqwSUZXuTRM+Bq+4ng0TqrQQtLiYGutNnPnySekpA9BdzE5Ug@mail.gmail.com>

Schematics at naked.com or hifiengine. Your deck may have leaky output
muting transistors, putting a load on the audio creating distortion

On Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 5:00 PM Fran Cap via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
wrote:

> Cleaned it out pretty well.
> Noise is still there. Its also present just listening to source so I think
> it would be in the playback amp. When I play a tape I recorded on the lx-5
> in another deck the noise isn't there so that narrows down things a bit
> more. Anyone have a schematic of the playback amp?
>
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2020, 8:59 AM Francis Flynn <fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Actually, before you dig into the deck, just try changing from play to
>> record several times.  Use a tape that isn't valuable and still has
>> the record prevent tab not broken out.  Just working that R/P switch a
>> few times may be enough to clear whatever dust or oxidation may be on
>> the contacts.  This might be a very easy fix.  Good luck.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 11:20 PM Fran Cap via Naktalk
>> <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > My lx-5 has developed a ringing noise (around 12-13khz or so). The
>> noise is proportional to the volume of the audio being played/recorded.
>> It's present in both source and tape. Already had the deck serviced last
>> year but went through and cleaned all ext pots/switches/jacks and same
>> issue. Any thoughts?
>> >
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>> >           Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com
>> >
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>> >                         Naktalk at lists.naks.com mailinglist
>> > Maintain your account here:
>> http://lists.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
>> >
>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Feb 17 13:46:33 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (perry via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 07:46:33 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl calibration/Dolby C
Message-ID: <a814e3d9-f043-44e2-b873-36ec0e1fde1a@Perrys-iphone>

Scott,
Bernard is mixing you up with Scott Johnson, who had a website page full of the original Nak SIs and other handy Nak info. But I would appreciate your 1000zxl and Dolby C write ups! Perry.nak at comcast.net

Is the Naktalk page with all the manuals and SIs still around? I lost the link when I changed phones.

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Feb 17 13:48:53 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (perry via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 07:48:53 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Never mind
Message-ID: <11e0b080-7ca7-4b89-808f-08ca03153d62@Perrys-iphone>

Never mind, I found the link on the WIKI page. Duh!

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Feb 17 13:58:57 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Wouter Heijke via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 13:58:57 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl calibration/Dolby C
In-Reply-To: <a814e3d9-f043-44e2-b873-36ec0e1fde1a@Perrys-iphone>
References: <a814e3d9-f043-44e2-b873-36ec0e1fde1a@Perrys-iphone>
Message-ID: <5e3df4403feb1aa5e74beda3d6027517@xs4all.nl>

I can check but I think i have these files also, but did not put them 
for download because Scott did.

On 2020-02-17 13:46, perry via Naktalk wrote:
> Scott,
> Bernard is mixing you up with Scott Johnson, who had a website page
> full of the original Nak SIs and other handy Nak info. But I would
> appreciate your 1000zxl and Dolby C write ups!  Perry.nak at comcast.net
> 
> Is the Naktalk page with all the manuals and SIs still around? I lost
> the link when I changed phones.
> 
> Sent from Xfinity Connect App

From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Feb 17 14:06:12 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (bb via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 14:06:12 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl calibration/Dolby C
In-Reply-To: <a814e3d9-f043-44e2-b873-36ec0e1fde1a@Perrys-iphone>
References: <a814e3d9-f043-44e2-b873-36ec0e1fde1a@Perrys-iphone>
Message-ID: <f48af3dc-2021-d4e9-a315-ee46984cb13d@gmail.com>

Hi Perry,

You are right ; I mixed the two Scott up! sorry about that

As I wrote to Scott (Johnson) the wiki page still exists: 
http://wiki.naks.com/doku.php?id=documents

However, if you click on the first (and others as well) service 
bulletin, you will end up on "a non existing page"...

Best

Bernard

Le 17/02/2020 à 13:46, perry via Naktalk a écrit :
> Scott,
> Bernard is mixing you up with Scott Johnson, who had a website page 
> full of the original Nak SIs and other handy Nak info. But I would 
> appreciate your 1000zxl and Dolby C write ups!  Perry.nak at comcast.net
>
> Is the Naktalk page with all the manuals and SIs still around? I lost 
> the link when I changed phones.
>
> Sent from Xfinity Connect App
>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Feb 17 16:32:06 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (bb via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 16:32:06 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl calibration/Dolby C
In-Reply-To: <a814e3d9-f043-44e2-b873-36ec0e1fde1a@Perrys-iphone>
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Perry,

I remember that you once downloaded all the WKI documents. Would you 
mind sending me those from Scott (mostly the Service bulletin) that are 
no longer available on Naktalk ? I have some but not all...

Thanks a million

Cheers

Bernard

Le 17/02/2020 à 13:46, perry via Naktalk a écrit :
> Scott,
> Bernard is mixing you up with Scott Johnson, who had a website page 
> full of the original Nak SIs and other handy Nak info. But I would 
> appreciate your 1000zxl and Dolby C write ups!  Perry.nak at comcast.net
>
> Is the Naktalk page with all the manuals and SIs still around? I lost 
> the link when I changed phones.
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Feb 17 19:28:47 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Peter Tanner via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 18:28:47 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Lx-5 ringing/hum
In-Reply-To: <ipn65il79ghl635vhghuh80a.1581892496251@gmail.com>
References: <CAGF+H7UyB3Tm5pQHgBYwyzzL_zheC826w-0VmMKx1ya7U5xS5w@mail.gmail.com>,
 <ipn65il79ghl635vhghuh80a.1581892496251@gmail.com>
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Been following this with interest. My 480Z has this hum issue too but only in record mode. It plays back fine. But when I put it in record it records a hum plus there is a heavy click. The switch is clean and the caps have been changed. Perhaps a ground wire too?

________________________________
From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of Daniel Botelho via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2020 2:34 PM
To: Fran Cap <tacomankratos at gmail.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Lx-5 ringing/hum

Nice find!  :)

I'd never guess a bad ground.  You may have to chase it a bit...maybe the hum issue is from the amp?



From: naktalk at lists.naks.com
Sent: February 16, 2020 17:15
To: fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com
Reply to: tacomankratos at gmail.com; naktalk at lists.naks.com
Cc: naktalk at lists.naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Lx-5 ringing/hum

It was completely recapped. :(

Good news however!
I seem to have solved it for now...I went for the nuclear option and added new ground wires from the amp to chassy and from the headphone jack to chassy and it's fixed. :D. I suspect one of the grounds was bad and there was a voltage flowing across the case. 😤

On Sun, Feb 16, 2020, 4:36 PM Francis Flynn <fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com<mailto:fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com>> wrote:
I would suspect electrolytic capacitors.  After so many years, they tend to dry up and become more or less an open circuit.  Sorry, it looks like that copy of the service manual does not include a schematic diagram.   Can you take it back to the last person who worked on it?

On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 3:16 PM Fran Cap <tacomankratos at gmail.com<mailto:tacomankratos at gmail.com>> wrote:
Ok update. With the schematic in hand I went through the playback circuit and tried the following:
Desoldered and checked output stage transistors
Checked all caps in playback circuit were in spec
Checked muting transistors
Swapped in spare 4558 op amp.

Still have the ringing. I'm kinda at a loss atm. Line out is still 100% clean however 🤔.


On Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 5:35 PM Fran Cap <tacomankratos at gmail.com<mailto:tacomankratos at gmail.com>> wrote:
Cleaned it out pretty well.
Noise is still there. Its also present just listening to source so I think it would be in the playback amp. When I play a tape I recorded on the lx-5 in another deck the noise isn't there so that narrows down things a bit more. Anyone have a schematic of the playback amp?

On Fri, Feb 14, 2020, 8:59 AM Francis Flynn <fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com<mailto:fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Actually, before you dig into the deck, just try changing from play to
record several times.  Use a tape that isn't valuable and still has
the record prevent tab not broken out.  Just working that R/P switch a
few times may be enough to clear whatever dust or oxidation may be on
the contacts.  This might be a very easy fix.  Good luck.

On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 11:20 PM Fran Cap via Naktalk
<naktalk at lists.naks.com<mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> wrote:
>
> My lx-5 has developed a ringing noise (around 12-13khz or so). The noise is proportional to the volume of the audio being played/recorded. It's present in both source and tape. Already had the deck serviced last year but went through and cleaned all ext pots/switches/jacks and same issue. Any thoughts?
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed Feb 19 09:57:16 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Ural Durusu via Naktalk)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 11:57:16 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon counter belt
Message-ID: <F03E6EDE-81A3-4A75-BF1C-C0AEFDF4051D@ttmail.com>

Hello to everyone 

I need to buy counter belt or belt kit for Nakamichi Dragon. Can you advice me where to buy? 

Best regards
Ural Durusu 

iPhone’umdan gönderildi

From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Feb 21 06:36:46 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (compu via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 21:36:46 -0800
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon counter belt
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1582110001.11740.naktalk@lists.naks.com>
References: <mailman.1.1582110001.11740.naktalk@lists.naks.com>
Message-ID: <964f7c47-3ae8-2133-2f85-1b8cf8930874@compuserve.com>

Hi Ural,

Long time ago I ordered a complete set from marrscommunications.com for 
my Dragon, but I see some people in the list are having problems with 
their orders.

But if you are in Istanbul, you may want to check Karakoy Pasaji: 
https://foursquare.com/v/karak%C3%B6y-elektronik%C3%A7iler-%C3%A7ar%C5%9F%C4%B1s%C4%B1/4eef0dd330f824cfc6bd789e

There is only one shop there that still has (generic) rubber belts in 
all sizes. You can bring the old counter belt and find a tighter one 
that you can replace.

Hope this helps,

_Fuad


On 19-02-2020 03:00, via Naktalk wrote:
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 11:57:16 +0300
> From: Ural Durusu via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon counter belt
> Message-ID: <F03E6EDE-81A3-4A75-BF1C-C0AEFDF4051D at ttmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Hello to everyone
>
> I need to buy counter belt or belt kit for Nakamichi Dragon. Can you advice me where to buy?
>
> Best regards
> Ural Durusu
>
> iPhone???umdan g??nderildi
>
>

From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Feb 21 08:26:48 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Ural Durusu via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 10:26:48 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon counter belt
In-Reply-To: <964f7c47-3ae8-2133-2f85-1b8cf8930874@compuserve.com>
References: <964f7c47-3ae8-2133-2f85-1b8cf8930874@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <5F7C2836-0CE8-446D-82F0-E40D2E32714A@ttmail.com>

Hi Fuad

Thank you for your reply. I will check it.

Best regards
Ural

iPhone’umdan gönderildi

> compu via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> şunları yazdı (21 Şub 2020 09:42):
> 
> Hi Ural,
> 
> Long time ago I ordered a complete set from marrscommunications.com for my Dragon, but I see some people in the list are having problems with their orders.
> 
> But if you are in Istanbul, you may want to check Karakoy Pasaji: https://foursquare.com/v/karak%C3%B6y-elektronik%C3%A7iler-%C3%A7ar%C5%9F%C4%B1s%C4%B1/4eef0dd330f824cfc6bd789e
> 
> There is only one shop there that still has (generic) rubber belts in all sizes. You can bring the old counter belt and find a tighter one that you can replace.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> _Fuad
> 
> 
>> On 19-02-2020 03:00, via Naktalk wrote:
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 11:57:16 +0300
>> From: Ural Durusu via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
>> To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
>> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon counter belt
>> Message-ID: <F03E6EDE-81A3-4A75-BF1C-C0AEFDF4051D at ttmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> 
>> Hello to everyone
>> 
>> I need to buy counter belt or belt kit for Nakamichi Dragon. Can you advice me where to buy?
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Ural Durusu
>> 
>> iPhone???umdan g??nderildi
>> 
>> 
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Feb 21 15:20:38 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Al via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 09:20:38 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon counter belt
Message-ID: <46a62477-3e97-45b3-8c91-02d076f37bf9@White-Zombie>

All...

I have two Dragons and have used “O” rings to replace belts and the idler tire with great results. “O” rings are inexpensive and are available in many diameters and thickness. Give it a try.

Albert

Sent from XFINITY Connect App

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From: compu via Naktalk
To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
Sent: February 21, 2020 at 1:42 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon counter belt

Hi Ural, Long time ago I ordered a complete set from marrscommunications.com for my Dragon, but I see some people in the list are having problems with their orders. But if you are in Istanbul, you may want to check Karakoy Pasaji: https://foursquare.com/v/karak%C3%B6y-elektronik%C3%A7iler-%C3%A7ar%C5%9F%C4%B1s%C4%B1/4eef0dd330f824cfc6bd789e There is only one shop there that still has (generic) rubber belts in all sizes. You can bring the old counter belt and find a tighter one that you can replace. Hope this helps, _Fuad On 19-02-2020 03:00, via Naktalk wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 11:57:16 +0300 > From: Ural Durusu via Naktalk > To: naktalk at lists.naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon counter belt > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hello to everyone > > I need to buy counter belt or belt kit for Nakamichi Dragon. Can you advice me where to buy? > > Best regards > Ural Durusu > > iPhone???umdan g??nderildi > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at lists.naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://lists.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Feb 21 16:55:29 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Ural Durusu via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 18:55:29 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon counter belt
In-Reply-To: <46a62477-3e97-45b3-8c91-02d076f37bf9@White-Zombie>
References: <46a62477-3e97-45b3-8c91-02d076f37bf9@White-Zombie>
Message-ID: <1D2CC583-C1E9-4534-83B7-A81EE5B7D5CC@ttmail.com>

Thank you Albert. Really a good idea. I also tried to find out the original diameter of the counter belt but couldn’t. 

Best regards
Ural


iPhone’umdan gönderildi

> Al via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> şunları yazdı (21 Şub 2020 17:35):
> 
> All...
> 
> I have two Dragons and have used “O” rings to replace belts and the idler tire with great results.  “O” rings are inexpensive and are available in many diameters and thickness.  Give it a try.
> 
> Albert
> 
> Sent from XFINITY Connect App
> 
> 
> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> 
> From: compu via Naktalk
> To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
> Sent: February 21, 2020 at 1:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon counter belt
> 
> Hi Ural, Long time ago I ordered a complete set from marrscommunications.com for my Dragon, but I see some people in the list are having problems with their orders. But if you are in Istanbul, you may want to check Karakoy Pasaji: https://foursquare.com/v/karak%C3%B6y-elektronik%C3%A7iler-%C3%A7ar%C5%9F%C4%B1s%C4%B1/4eef0dd330f824cfc6bd789e There is only one shop there that still has (generic) rubber belts in all sizes. You can bring the old counter belt and find a tighter one that you can replace. Hope this helps, _Fuad On 19-02-2020 03:00, via Naktalk wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 11:57:16 +0300 > From: Ural Durusu via Naktalk > To: naktalk at lists.naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon counter belt > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hello to everyone > > I need to buy counter belt or belt kit for Nakamichi Dragon. Can you advice me where to buy? > > Best regards > Ural Durusu > > iPhone???umdan g??nderildi > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at lists.naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://lists.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=================---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Feb 21 17:03:48 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 11:03:48 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon counter belt
In-Reply-To: <1D2CC583-C1E9-4534-83B7-A81EE5B7D5CC@ttmail.com>
References: <46a62477-3e97-45b3-8c91-02d076f37bf9@White-Zombie>
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Message-ID: <03e301d5e8d0$816f6320$844e2960$@comcast.net>

Vintage Electronics sells belt kits. Recently purchased several items from them:

http://www.vintage-electronics.net/anakamichibeltkits.aspx?page=3

- Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> On Behalf Of Ural Durusu via Naktalk
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 10:55 AM
To: Al <1817pacific at comcast.net>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon counter belt

Thank you Albert. Really a good idea. I also tried to find out the original diameter of the counter belt but couldn’t. 

Best regards
Ural


iPhone’umdan gönderildi

> Al via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> şunları yazdı (21 Şub 2020 17:35):
> 
> All...
> 
> I have two Dragons and have used “O” rings to replace belts and the idler tire with great results.  “O” rings are inexpensive and are available in many diameters and thickness.  Give it a try.
> 
> Albert
> 
> Sent from XFINITY Connect App
> 
> 
> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> 
> From: compu via Naktalk
> To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
> Sent: February 21, 2020 at 1:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon counter belt
> 
> Hi Ural, Long time ago I ordered a complete set from marrscommunications.com for my Dragon, but I see some people in the list are having problems with their orders. But if you are in Istanbul, you may want to check Karakoy Pasaji: https://foursquare.com/v/karak%C3%B6y-elektronik%C3%A7iler-%C3%A7ar%C5%9F%C4%B1s%C4%B1/4eef0dd330f824cfc6bd789e There is only one shop there that still has (generic) rubber belts in all sizes. You can bring the old counter belt and find a tighter one that you can replace. Hope this helps, _Fuad On 19-02-2020 03:00, via Naktalk wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 11:57:16 +0300 > From: Ural Durusu via Naktalk > To: naktalk at lists.naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon counter belt > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hello to everyone > > I need to buy counter belt or belt kit for Nakamichi Dragon. Can you advice me where to buy? > > Best regards > Ural Durusu > > iPhone???umdan g??nderildi > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at lists.naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://lists.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=================---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Feb 21 17:09:50 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Al via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 11:09:50 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon counter belt
Message-ID: <44e688cf-5a92-4bee-92c2-96c15f0fe388@White-Zombie>

Ural,

You can use a string to approximate the belt size. It may take a little practice to loop and mark the string so that you can remove it and make measurements. Regarding the thickness of the “O” ring, I found that a thicker “O” ring provides more pulley surface contact and better “grip”. A little experimentation will end up saving a lot of money. As an example, I used an “O” ring as a idler tire at a cost of under one US dollar!

Albert

Sent from XFINITY Connect App

------ Original Message ------

From: Ural Durusu
To: Al, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Sent: February 21, 2020 at 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon counter belt

Thank you Albert. Really a good idea. I also tried to find out the original diameter of the counter belt but couldn’t. Best regards Ural iPhone’umdan gönderildi > Al via Naktalk şunları yazdı (21 Şub 2020 17:35): > > All... > > I have two Dragons and have used “O” rings to replace belts and the idler tire with great results. “O” rings are inexpensive and are available in many diameters and thickness. Give it a try. > > Albert > > Sent from XFINITY Connect App > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: compu via Naktalk > To: naktalk at lists.naks.com > Sent: February 21, 2020 at 1:42 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon counter belt > > Hi Ural, Long time ago I ordered a complete set from marrscommunications.com for my Dragon, but I see some people in the list are having problems with their orders. But if you are in Istanbul, you may want to check Karakoy Pasaji: https://foursquare.com/v/karak%C3%B6y-elektronik%C3%A7iler-%C3%A7ar%C5%9F%C4%B1s%C4%B1/4eef0dd330f824cfc6bd789e There is only one shop there that still has (generic) rubber belts in all sizes. You can bring the old counter belt and find a tighter one that you can replace. Hope this helps, _Fuad On 19-02-2020 03:00, via Naktalk wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 11:57:16 +0300 > From: Ural Durusu via Naktalk > To: naktalk at lists.naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon counter belt > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hello to everyone > > I need to buy counter belt or belt kit for Nakamichi Dragon. Can you advice me where to buy? > > Best regards > Ural Durusu > > iPhone???umdan g??nderildi > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at lists.naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://lists.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=================---------------------------------------------------------========= > Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at lists.naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://lists.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sat Feb 22 14:15:17 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (perry via Naktalk)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 08:15:17 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon counter belt
Message-ID: <af78b7be-6b08-4a77-a511-b68294683859@Perrys-iphone>

The correct counter belt for all classic transports is an SBO-9, which is the smallest cross section (.039” or 1mm) square belt with a 9 inch (228mm) circumference. I sincerely doubt there is any o-ring with that dimension. Orings can work in a pinch, for non critical belts, but do not have the correct rubber compound elasticity for low back tension or contact surface area for correct long term operation as an idler tire. A square seal ring is much better, but since the correct idler tires and belts (except capstan for belt drive decks) are easily available from Russell Industries, I don’t see the point. Plenty of members have shipped belts internationally.

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Mar  2 13:17:26 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (bb via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 13:17:26 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] NR-200 rack handles
Message-ID: <2a1b7466-16ad-712a-e1a5-942eac5adc7b@gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I am looking for the rack handles for my NR-200 which lacks them.

If someone has a set to sell, I would like to by them.

Best wishes

Bernard

P.S: I am also looking for the Nakamichi MB-4s OWNER manual...


From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Mar  8 10:57:30 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Birger Glosimot via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2020 10:57:30 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt adjusment
Message-ID: <000001d5f52f$fe0f6ef0$fa2e4cd0$@tilkoblet.net>


I have made stupid adjustments!
And I need to readjust tilt on two classic transport mechanisms.

Equipment I have:
T-100
Millivolt meter ( Leader LAV-190)
Oscilloscope 
WHS300
TEAC MTT-902 Tape Path Checker
Nak DA09007B equivalent tape.

Azimuth tapes 6.3 - 8 - 14 K TEAC and ABEX tapes

BUT: I do not have the Tilt Check that I absolutely need to do the tilt adjustment (and would like to buy If an affordable price)

I have used the WHS300 and my T-100 and DA09007B to adjust head hight.

What of my listed equipment can I use to adjust tilt as close to correct and how? 

( I have an offer from Norman to do this, but would like to get one transport as close to correct as possible with my equipment)

Birger in Norway




From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Mar  8 14:17:58 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Tom Brucker via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2020 08:17:58 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt adjusment
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References: <000001d5f52f$fe0f6ef0$fa2e4cd0$@tilkoblet.net>
Message-ID: <CAAqwSUYPcTMPggkE0pYyrs=zLqjSttcb7BRiDyWbV-ntNyKcPg@mail.gmail.com>

The 300 gauge will get you 95%. Remove the mechanism. Load the gauge and
move mode cam to play position. Look at the space between head face and
flat end of gauge block using a strong back light. You will easily see when
the head is parallel to face. Then reinstall the mechanism. Perform head
height with couplingcscrew in place.

On Sun, Mar 8, 2020, 4:57 AM Birger Glosimot via Naktalk <
naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

>
> I have made stupid adjustments!
> And I need to readjust tilt on two classic transport mechanisms.
>
> Equipment I have:
> T-100
> Millivolt meter ( Leader LAV-190)
> Oscilloscope
> WHS300
> TEAC MTT-902 Tape Path Checker
> Nak DA09007B equivalent tape.
>
> Azimuth tapes 6.3 - 8 - 14 K TEAC and ABEX tapes
>
> BUT: I do not have the Tilt Check that I absolutely need to do the tilt
> adjustment (and would like to buy If an affordable price)
>
> I have used the WHS300 and my T-100 and DA09007B to adjust head hight.
>
> What of my listed equipment can I use to adjust tilt as close to correct
> and how?
>
> ( I have an offer from Norman to do this, but would like to get one
> transport as close to correct as possible with my equipment)
>
> Birger in Norway
>
>
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Mar  8 14:23:40 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (perry via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2020 09:23:40 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Tilt adjustments
Message-ID: <506c2413-864c-4eea-a3f3-0ba906bd24fb@Perrys-iphone>

Since basically only Nakamichi decks had the luxury of adjustment via the DAO9039 TILT GAUGE, just do it like all the other manufacturers have to. Adjust to the light gap that the WHS-300 guide bar makes with the head. It should be very even or none at all (depending on the head). The criticality of the head tilt is more pronounced on the Naks because of the head lifter and the difficulty of getting both play and record heads at the same tilt.

As for buying one at a reasonable price, will only happen with pure luck. Even just finding one FOR sale is rare. They typically go for over $500USD today, with multiple offers. The last one I saw on ebay went for almost $700, which is more than I paid for any of my Dragons or ZX-9s a few years ago, and more than I paid for my entire set of gauges 10 or so years ago.

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Mar  8 18:36:32 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (=?UTF-8?Q?P=c3=a4r_Eriksson?= via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2020 18:36:32 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt adjusment
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References: <000001d5f52f$fe0f6ef0$fa2e4cd0$@tilkoblet.net>
 <CAAqwSUYPcTMPggkE0pYyrs=zLqjSttcb7BRiDyWbV-ntNyKcPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5624e572-fcb0-345c-2594-f69743f5b393@telia.com>

I use the 300 gauge together with a USB microscope. Works perfect!

Regards Pelle.

Den 2020-03-08 kl. 14:17, skrev Tom Brucker via Naktalk:
> The 300 gauge will get you 95%. Remove the mechanism. Load the gauge 
> and move mode cam to play position. Look at the space between head 
> face and flat end of gauge block using a strong back light. You will 
> easily see when the head is parallel to face. Then reinstall the 
> mechanism. Perform head height with couplingcscrew in place.
>
> On Sun, Mar 8, 2020, 4:57 AM Birger Glosimot via Naktalk 
> <naktalk at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> wrote:
>
>
>     I have made stupid adjustments!
>     And I need to readjust tilt on two classic transport mechanisms.
>
>     Equipment I have:
>     T-100
>     Millivolt meter ( Leader LAV-190)
>     Oscilloscope
>     WHS300
>     TEAC MTT-902 Tape Path Checker
>     Nak DA09007B equivalent tape.
>
>     Azimuth tapes 6.3 - 8 - 14 K TEAC and ABEX tapes
>
>     BUT: I do not have the Tilt Check that I absolutely need to do the
>     tilt adjustment (and would like to buy If an affordable price)
>
>     I have used the WHS300 and my T-100 and DA09007B to adjust head hight.
>
>     What of my listed equipment can I use to adjust tilt as close to
>     correct and how?
>
>     ( I have an offer from Norman to do this, but would like to get
>     one transport as close to correct as possible with my equipment)
>
>     Birger in Norway
>
>
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Mar  9 09:46:06 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Birger Glosimot via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 09:46:06 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt adjusment
In-Reply-To: <5624e572-fcb0-345c-2594-f69743f5b393@telia.com>
References: <000001d5f52f$fe0f6ef0$fa2e4cd0$@tilkoblet.net>
 <CAAqwSUYPcTMPggkE0pYyrs=zLqjSttcb7BRiDyWbV-ntNyKcPg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5624e572-fcb0-345c-2594-f69743f5b393@telia.com>
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Could you describe how and also what kind of USB microscope?

 

BR

Birger (+47 92226662)

 

Fra: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> På vegne av Pär Eriksson via Naktalk
Sendt: søndag 8. mars 2020 18.37
Til: naktalk at lists.naks.com
Emne: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt adjusment

 

I use the 300 gauge together with a USB microscope. Works perfect!

Regards Pelle.

Den 2020-03-08 kl. 14:17, skrev Tom Brucker via Naktalk:

The 300 gauge will get you 95%. Remove the mechanism. Load the gauge and move mode cam to play position. Look at the space between head face and flat end of gauge block using a strong back light. You will easily see when the head is parallel to face. Then reinstall the mechanism. Perform head height with couplingcscrew in place.

 

On Sun, Mar 8, 2020, 4:57 AM Birger Glosimot via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com> > wrote:


I have made stupid adjustments!
And I need to readjust tilt on two classic transport mechanisms.

Equipment I have:
T-100
Millivolt meter ( Leader LAV-190)
Oscilloscope 
WHS300
TEAC MTT-902 Tape Path Checker
Nak DA09007B equivalent tape.

Azimuth tapes 6.3 - 8 - 14 K TEAC and ABEX tapes

BUT: I do not have the Tilt Check that I absolutely need to do the tilt adjustment (and would like to buy If an affordable price)

I have used the WHS300 and my T-100 and DA09007B to adjust head hight.

What of my listed equipment can I use to adjust tilt as close to correct and how? 

( I have an offer from Norman to do this, but would like to get one transport as close to correct as possible with my equipment)

Birger in Norway



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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Mar  9 17:31:07 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (=?UTF-8?Q?P=c3=a4r_Eriksson?= via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 17:31:07 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt adjusment
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References: <000001d5f52f$fe0f6ef0$fa2e4cd0$@tilkoblet.net>
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 <5624e572-fcb0-345c-2594-f69743f5b393@telia.com>
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Message-ID: <c43e804e-751c-5b34-63f3-67ecdbc0e24f@telia.com>

I bought a cheap USB microscope on Ebay, just enter that in the search 
field and you will have plenty to choose from.

When it comes to use it, first you need to have the mechanism on your 
work bench. Then you have to remove

the two metal guides that holds the cassette door. Finally, insert the 
300 gauge and apply the metal bar to the head.

At the same time you do this put the microscope to the l/h side of the 
mechanism and adjust the focus. Then you

can clearly see if you have a gap between the head and the metal bar.

Good luck/Pelle.


Den 2020-03-09 kl. 09:46, skrev Birger Glosimot:
>
> Could you describe how and also what kind of USB microscope?
>
> BR
>
> Birger (+47 92226662)
>
> *Fra:* Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> *På vegne av *Pär 
> Eriksson via Naktalk
> *Sendt:* søndag 8. mars 2020 18.37
> *Til:* naktalk at lists.naks.com
> *Emne:* Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi tilt adjusment
>
> I use the 300 gauge together with a USB microscope. Works perfect!
>
> Regards Pelle.
>
> Den 2020-03-08 kl. 14:17, skrev Tom Brucker via Naktalk:
>
>     The 300 gauge will get you 95%. Remove the mechanism. Load the
>     gauge and move mode cam to play position. Look at the space
>     between head face and flat end of gauge block using a strong back
>     light. You will easily see when the head is parallel to face. Then
>     reinstall the mechanism. Perform head height with couplingcscrew
>     in place.
>
>     On Sun, Mar 8, 2020, 4:57 AM Birger Glosimot via Naktalk
>     <naktalk at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> wrote:
>
>
>         I have made stupid adjustments!
>         And I need to readjust tilt on two classic transport mechanisms.
>
>         Equipment I have:
>         T-100
>         Millivolt meter ( Leader LAV-190)
>         Oscilloscope
>         WHS300
>         TEAC MTT-902 Tape Path Checker
>         Nak DA09007B equivalent tape.
>
>         Azimuth tapes 6.3 - 8 - 14 K TEAC and ABEX tapes
>
>         BUT: I do not have the Tilt Check that I absolutely need to do
>         the tilt adjustment (and would like to buy If an affordable price)
>
>         I have used the WHS300 and my T-100 and DA09007B to adjust
>         head hight.
>
>         What of my listed equipment can I use to adjust tilt as close
>         to correct and how?
>
>         ( I have an offer from Norman to do this, but would like to
>         get one transport as close to correct as possible with my
>         equipment)
>
>         Birger in Norway
>
>
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Tue Mar 10 17:27:43 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Steve Hammond via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 16:27:43 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Tilt adjustments
In-Reply-To: <506c2413-864c-4eea-a3f3-0ba906bd24fb@Perrys-iphone>
References: <506c2413-864c-4eea-a3f3-0ba906bd24fb@Perrys-iphone>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB703432A5703C0CBD9C180D06ADFF0@DM6PR05MB7034.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Can someone confirm if the Bowden cable for the zx9 uses the same Bowden cable as the zx7? The cables that I purchased from Poland were way too short, even the 300mm cable. I do have the original cable but the user adjustment side, the slide pin will not stay in the cable and was wondering if there’s a solid way to keep it held into the cable. I’ve tried solder but that’s a no go. Thanks for anyone who has the knowledge and thanks in advance for your reply.

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From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of perry via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2020 9:23:40 AM
To: naktalk at lists.naks.com <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: [naktalk] Tilt adjustments

Since basically only Nakamichi decks had the luxury of adjustment via the DAO9039 TILT GAUGE, just do it like all the other manufacturers have to. Adjust to the light gap that the WHS-300 guide bar makes with the head. It should be very even or none at all (depending on the head). The criticality of the head tilt is more pronounced on the Naks because of the head lifter and the difficulty of getting both play and record heads at the same tilt.

As for buying one at a reasonable price, will only happen with pure luck. Even just finding one FOR sale is rare. They typically go for over $500USD today, with multiple offers. The last one I saw on ebay went for almost $700, which is more than I paid for any of my Dragons or ZX-9s a few years ago, and more than I paid for my entire set of gauges 10 or so years ago.

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Tue Mar 10 21:53:45 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (N.van.wijnen@ziggo.nl via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 21:53:45 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Tilt adjustments
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Hi,
The cable of the zx9 and zx7 are the same.
Can you make a picture from the problem you have with the cable?
Best regards
Norman

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

> Op 10 mrt. 2020 om 21:46 heeft Steve Hammond via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> 
> Can someone confirm if the Bowden cable for the zx9 uses the same Bowden cable as the zx7? The cables that I purchased from Poland were way too short, even the 300mm cable. I do have the original cable but the user adjustment side, the slide pin will not stay in the cable and was wondering if there’s a solid way to keep it held into the cable. I’ve tried solder but that’s a no go. Thanks for anyone who has the knowledge and thanks in advance for your reply.
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS
> From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of perry via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2020 9:23:40 AM
> To: naktalk at lists.naks.com <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] Tilt adjustments
>  
> Since basically only Nakamichi decks had the luxury of adjustment via the DAO9039 TILT GAUGE, just do it like all the other manufacturers have to. Adjust to the light gap that the WHS-300 guide bar makes with the head. It should be very even or none at all (depending on the head). The criticality of the head tilt is more pronounced on the Naks because of the head lifter and the difficulty of getting both play and record heads at the same tilt. 
> 
> As for buying one at a reasonable price, will only happen with pure luck. Even just finding one FOR sale is rare. They typically go for over $500USD today, with multiple offers. The last one I saw on ebay went for almost $700, which is more than I paid for any of my Dragons or ZX-9s a few years ago, and more than I paid for my entire set of gauges 10 or so years ago.  
> 
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed Mar 11 19:47:05 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Tom Brucker via Naktalk)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 13:47:05 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Tilt adjustments
In-Reply-To: <D8A75C4C-E769-4855-8BEC-0D54FCD93542@ziggo.nl>
References: <DM6PR05MB703432A5703C0CBD9C180D06ADFF0@DM6PR05MB7034.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <CAAqwSUa44Do7XEMXLhYBC82RKLScdAqi9GS-PMLyipktnONu6g@mail.gmail.com>

The pin is press fit into the stainless steel ribbon. I assume the ribbon
is torn or distorted? JB weld epoxy 24 hour cure may glue it together.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 3:53 PM N.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl via Naktalk <
naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> The cable of the zx9 and zx7 are the same.
> Can you make a picture from the problem you have with the cable?
> Best regards
> Norman
>
> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
>
> Op 10 mrt. 2020 om 21:46 heeft Steve Hammond via Naktalk <
> naktalk at lists.naks.com> het volgende geschreven:
>
> 
> Can someone confirm if the Bowden cable for the zx9 uses the same Bowden
> cable as the zx7? The cables that I purchased from Poland were way too
> short, even the 300mm cable. I do have the original cable but the user
> adjustment side, the slide pin will not stay in the cable and was wondering
> if there’s a solid way to keep it held into the cable. I’ve tried solder
> but that’s a no go. Thanks for anyone who has the knowledge and thanks in
> advance for your reply.
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of perry via
> Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 8, 2020 9:23:40 AM
> *To:* naktalk at lists.naks.com <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> *Subject:* [naktalk] Tilt adjustments
>
> Since basically only Nakamichi decks had the luxury of adjustment via the
> DAO9039 TILT GAUGE, just do it like all the other manufacturers have to.
> Adjust to the light gap that the WHS-300 guide bar makes with the head. It
> should be very even or none at all (depending on the head). The criticality
> of the head tilt is more pronounced on the Naks because of the head lifter
> and the difficulty of getting both play and record heads at the same tilt.
>
> As for buying one at a reasonable price, will only happen with pure luck.
> Even just finding one FOR sale is rare. They typically go for over $500USD
> today, with multiple offers. The last one I saw on ebay went for almost
> $700, which is more than I paid for any of my Dragons or ZX-9s a few years
> ago, and more than I paid for my entire set of gauges 10 or so years ago.
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Tue Mar 24 16:58:21 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Peter Tanner via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 15:58:21 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z recording problem
Message-ID: <DM6PR13MB3417F884573CB0392C586101DFF10@DM6PR13MB3417.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

Hi everybody,

I may have posted this earlier but the problem stayed on.

I have a 480Z that plays back very well but has a recording problem. It records a loud pop when put into the record mode and also puts a heavy hiss on the tape. All orange caps in the bias oscillator, in the record amp and in the Dolby NR have been replaced. No change. The record switch has been cleaned and it functions well. In playback all functions are good. If anyone has an idea please pass it on.
Thanks in advance

Peter
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Tue Mar 24 20:03:07 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Richard L. Hess via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 15:03:07 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z recording problem
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Message-ID: <4ea0cb41-bda3-1909-1245-c1087a42c0b3@richardhess.com>

Hi, Peter,


It sounds as if DC is somehow getting into the record head. Look for a 
shorted capacitor between the record amp and the head.


The DC in the head is a cause of the noise (DC bias is much noisier than 
AC bias).

The Pop would indicate a shift in DC levels (although it could be other 
things).


Another tree to bark up is the record amp oscillating? That might cause 
overbias.


Note, I would do a careful demagnetizing of the record head after you 
fix the problem because if there is residual magnetism in the head, it 
will erase the higher frequencies of your tapes on each pass.


Good luck.


Let us know.


Cheers,


Richard



On 2020-03-24 11:58 a.m., Peter Tanner via Naktalk wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> I may have posted this earlier but the problem stayed on.
>
> I have a 480Z that plays back very well but has a recording problem. 
> It records a loud pop when put into the record mode and also puts a 
> heavy hiss on the tape. All orange caps in the bias oscillator, in the 
> record amp and in the Dolby NR have been replaced. No change. The 
> record switch has been cleaned and it functions well. In playback all 
> functions are good. If anyone has an idea please pass it on.
> Thanks in advance
>
> Peter
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed Mar 25 22:46:42 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Peter Tanner via Naktalk)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 21:46:42 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z recording problem
In-Reply-To: <4ea0cb41-bda3-1909-1245-c1087a42c0b3@richardhess.com>
References: <DM6PR13MB3417F884573CB0392C586101DFF10@DM6PR13MB3417.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>,
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Thank you, Richard,

I'm not sure if I can find a shorted capacitor as the SM I have here has been sent to me on this forum but it's really blurred. Plus I am a novice at this. Would not know what to look for. I did check some DC voltages in the bias oscillator and some are quite weird. Especially on Q 304. I've also disconnected the the cable from the erase head and tried to record on a blank cassette. The hiss/hum was noticeable lower but still there. I am aware that if anything had been on the tape it would not have erased it. There was no pop but when the cable was reconnected the pop returned when the deck was put into the record mode. In the meantime I have also demagnetized the head. This is a two head deck, by the way. This hum/hiss problem is more irritating than the pop.
Anyway, thanks again for the advice, I'll keep checking

Cheers

Peter

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Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:03 PM
To: Peter Tanner via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z recording problem


Hi, Peter,


It sounds as if DC is somehow getting into the record head. Look for a shorted capacitor between the record amp and the head.


The DC in the head is a cause of the noise (DC bias is much noisier than AC bias).

The Pop would indicate a shift in DC levels (although it could be other things).


Another tree to bark up is the record amp oscillating? That might cause overbias.


Note, I would do a careful demagnetizing of the record head after you fix the problem because if there is residual magnetism in the head, it will erase the higher frequencies of your tapes on each pass.


Good luck.


Let us know.


Cheers,


Richard



On 2020-03-24 11:58 a.m., Peter Tanner via Naktalk wrote:
Hi everybody,

I may have posted this earlier but the problem stayed on.

I have a 480Z that plays back very well but has a recording problem. It records a loud pop when put into the record mode and also puts a heavy hiss on the tape. All orange caps in the bias oscillator, in the record amp and in the Dolby NR have been replaced. No change. The record switch has been cleaned and it functions well. In playback all functions are good. If anyone has an idea please pass it on.
Thanks in advance

Peter



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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed Mar 25 23:43:36 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Gennady Lyskin via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 11:43:36 +1300
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z recording problem
References: <DM6PR13MB3417F884573CB0392C586101DFF10@DM6PR13MB3417.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>,
 <4ea0cb41-bda3-1909-1245-c1087a42c0b3@richardhess.com>
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Message-ID: <004101d602f6$d4853b80$1500a8c0@BedroomPC>

Hi Peter,

Check the C155 and C255 in REC mode. Positive leads should have +7.9 V DC. Negative leads should have 0 V DC. If any negative lead has some DC voltage, that capacitor is leaking or short.

Best regards,

Gennady Lyskin

G e n n L a b
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Peter Tanner via Naktalk 
  To: Richard L. Hess ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
  Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z recording problem


  Thank you, Richard,


  I'm not sure if I can find a shorted capacitor as the SM I have here has been sent to me on this forum but it's really blurred. Plus I am a novice at this. Would not know what to look for. I did check some DC voltages in the bias oscillator and some are quite weird. Especially on Q 304. I've also disconnected the the cable from the erase head and tried to record on a blank cassette. The hiss/hum was noticeable lower but still there. I am aware that if anything had been on the tape it would not have erased it. There was no pop but when the cable was reconnected the pop returned when the deck was put into the record mode. In the meantime I have also demagnetized the head. This is a two head deck, by the way. This hum/hiss problem is more irritating than the pop.

  Anyway, thanks again for the advice, I'll keep checking


  Cheers



  Peter




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  From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of Richard L. Hess via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:03 PM
  To: Peter Tanner via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
  Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z recording problem 

  Hi, Peter,





  It sounds as if DC is somehow getting into the record head. Look for a shorted capacitor between the record amp and the head. 





  The DC in the head is a cause of the noise (DC bias is much noisier than AC bias).

  The Pop would indicate a shift in DC levels (although it could be other things).




  Another tree to bark up is the record amp oscillating? That might cause overbias.




  Note, I would do a careful demagnetizing of the record head after you fix the problem because if there is residual magnetism in the head, it will erase the higher frequencies of your tapes on each pass.





  Good luck.




  Let us know.




  Cheers,




  Richard







  On 2020-03-24 11:58 a.m., Peter Tanner via Naktalk wrote:

    Hi everybody,


    I may have posted this earlier but the problem stayed on.


    I have a 480Z that plays back very well but has a recording problem. It records a loud pop when put into the record mode and also puts a heavy hiss on the tape. All orange caps in the bias oscillator, in the record amp and in the Dolby NR have been replaced. No change. The record switch has been cleaned and it functions well. In playback all functions are good. If anyone has an idea please pass it on.
    Thanks in advance


    Peter


     
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Thu Mar 26 02:51:32 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Francis Flynn via Naktalk)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:51:32 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z recording problem
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR13MB3417AA905DBC2C2C60A32C58DFCE0@DM6PR13MB3417.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR13MB3417F884573CB0392C586101DFF10@DM6PR13MB3417.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
 <4ea0cb41-bda3-1909-1245-c1087a42c0b3@richardhess.com>
 <DM6PR13MB3417AA905DBC2C2C60A32C58DFCE0@DM6PR13MB3417.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CACyUB394pg=LmW0=oiWULDwqYQwYBccZmoVZc9gASDX5cW5WuA@mail.gmail.com>

It's 2 head?  Have you tried cleaning the record/play switch?  Spray
some cleaner into that long switch and work it back and forth a few
times.


On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 4:46 PM Peter Tanner via Naktalk
<naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you, Richard,
>
> I'm not sure if I can find a shorted capacitor as the SM I have here has been sent to me on this forum but it's really blurred. Plus I am a novice at this. Would not know what to look for. I did check some DC voltages in the bias oscillator and some are quite weird. Especially on Q 304. I've also disconnected the the cable from the erase head and tried to record on a blank cassette. The hiss/hum was noticeable lower but still there. I am aware that if anything had been on the tape it would not have erased it. There was no pop but when the cable was reconnected the pop returned when the deck was put into the record mode. In the meantime I have also demagnetized the head. This is a two head deck, by the way. This hum/hiss problem is more irritating than the pop.
> Anyway, thanks again for the advice, I'll keep checking
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
>
> ________________________________
> From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of Richard L. Hess via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:03 PM
> To: Peter Tanner via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z recording problem
>
>
> Hi, Peter,
>
>
> It sounds as if DC is somehow getting into the record head. Look for a shorted capacitor between the record amp and the head.
>
>
> The DC in the head is a cause of the noise (DC bias is much noisier than AC bias).
>
> The Pop would indicate a shift in DC levels (although it could be other things).
>
>
> Another tree to bark up is the record amp oscillating? That might cause overbias.
>
>
> Note, I would do a careful demagnetizing of the record head after you fix the problem because if there is residual magnetism in the head, it will erase the higher frequencies of your tapes on each pass.
>
>
> Good luck.
>
>
> Let us know.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> On 2020-03-24 11:58 a.m., Peter Tanner via Naktalk wrote:
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> I may have posted this earlier but the problem stayed on.
>
> I have a 480Z that plays back very well but has a recording problem. It records a loud pop when put into the record mode and also puts a heavy hiss on the tape. All orange caps in the bias oscillator, in the record amp and in the Dolby NR have been replaced. No change. The record switch has been cleaned and it functions well. In playback all functions are good. If anyone has an idea please pass it on.
> Thanks in advance
>
> Peter
>
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> http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm
> Quality tape transfers -- even from hard-to-play tapes.
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Thu Mar 26 06:40:40 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 15:40:40 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z recording problem
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References: <DM6PR13MB3417F884573CB0392C586101DFF10@DM6PR13MB3417.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
 <4ea0cb41-bda3-1909-1245-c1087a42c0b3@richardhess.com>
 <DM6PR13MB3417AA905DBC2C2C60A32C58DFCE0@DM6PR13MB3417.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
 <CACyUB394pg=LmW0=oiWULDwqYQwYBccZmoVZc9gASDX5cW5WuA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002b01d60331$165aab50$431001f0$@bigpond.com>

Hi there 

I also have a 480z and did fix the record problem similar to yours .  Replace  q301/ q302 (2sc945)  q303( 2sc1959) q3042 (sa562) . I think you have done the orange caps  c307 .068uf polypropylene c309/c310   4700pf  p/p     c311  .0022uf p/p. Also replace the 4.7uf electrolytic  c308 .       If you do all of these at the same time that should work .

The head is fine as it plays back ok .  Hope this helps 



-----Original Message-----
From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> On Behalf Of Francis Flynn via Naktalk
Sent: Thursday, 26 March 2020 11:52 AM
To: Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z recording problem

It's 2 head?  Have you tried cleaning the record/play switch?  Spray some cleaner into that long switch and work it back and forth a few times.


On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 4:46 PM Peter Tanner via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you, Richard,
>
> I'm not sure if I can find a shorted capacitor as the SM I have here has been sent to me on this forum but it's really blurred. Plus I am a novice at this. Would not know what to look for. I did check some DC voltages in the bias oscillator and some are quite weird. Especially on Q 304. I've also disconnected the the cable from the erase head and tried to record on a blank cassette. The hiss/hum was noticeable lower but still there. I am aware that if anything had been on the tape it would not have erased it. There was no pop but when the cable was reconnected the pop returned when the deck was put into the record mode. In the meantime I have also demagnetized the head. This is a two head deck, by the way. This hum/hiss problem is more irritating than the pop.
> Anyway, thanks again for the advice, I'll keep checking
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
>
> ________________________________
> From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of Richard L. 
> Hess via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:03 PM
> To: Peter Tanner via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z recording problem
>
>
> Hi, Peter,
>
>
> It sounds as if DC is somehow getting into the record head. Look for a shorted capacitor between the record amp and the head.
>
>
> The DC in the head is a cause of the noise (DC bias is much noisier than AC bias).
>
> The Pop would indicate a shift in DC levels (although it could be other things).
>
>
> Another tree to bark up is the record amp oscillating? That might cause overbias.
>
>
> Note, I would do a careful demagnetizing of the record head after you fix the problem because if there is residual magnetism in the head, it will erase the higher frequencies of your tapes on each pass.
>
>
> Good luck.
>
>
> Let us know.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> On 2020-03-24 11:58 a.m., Peter Tanner via Naktalk wrote:
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> I may have posted this earlier but the problem stayed on.
>
> I have a 480Z that plays back very well but has a recording problem. It records a loud pop when put into the record mode and also puts a heavy hiss on the tape. All orange caps in the bias oscillator, in the record amp and in the Dolby NR have been replaced. No change. The record switch has been cleaned and it functions well. In playback all functions are good. If anyone has an idea please pass it on.
> Thanks in advance
>
> Peter
>
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> http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm
> Quality tape transfers -- even from hard-to-play tapes.
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Mar 29 00:01:31 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Peter Tanner via Naktalk)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 23:01:31 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z recording problem
In-Reply-To: <002b01d60331$165aab50$431001f0$@bigpond.com>
References: <DM6PR13MB3417F884573CB0392C586101DFF10@DM6PR13MB3417.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
 <4ea0cb41-bda3-1909-1245-c1087a42c0b3@richardhess.com>
 <DM6PR13MB3417AA905DBC2C2C60A32C58DFCE0@DM6PR13MB3417.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
 <CACyUB394pg=LmW0=oiWULDwqYQwYBccZmoVZc9gASDX5cW5WuA@mail.gmail.com>,
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Message-ID: <MN2PR13MB3422863FF94A117ACFEDB3D1DFCD0@MN2PR13MB3422.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

Hi

I've replaced some of those, C308, Q303, Q304 and all the orange caps. No change. Thanks for the suggestion though.

Peter

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Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:40 PM
To: 'Francis Flynn' <fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com>; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z recording problem

Hi there

I also have a 480z and did fix the record problem similar to yours .  Replace  q301/ q302 (2sc945)  q303( 2sc1959) q3042 (sa562) . I think you have done the orange caps  c307 .068uf polypropylene c309/c310   4700pf  p/p     c311  .0022uf p/p. Also replace the 4.7uf electrolytic  c308 .       If you do all of these at the same time that should work .

The head is fine as it plays back ok .  Hope this helps



-----Original Message-----
From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> On Behalf Of Francis Flynn via Naktalk
Sent: Thursday, 26 March 2020 11:52 AM
To: Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z recording problem

It's 2 head?  Have you tried cleaning the record/play switch?  Spray some cleaner into that long switch and work it back and forth a few times.


On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 4:46 PM Peter Tanner via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you, Richard,
>
> I'm not sure if I can find a shorted capacitor as the SM I have here has been sent to me on this forum but it's really blurred. Plus I am a novice at this. Would not know what to look for. I did check some DC voltages in the bias oscillator and some are quite weird. Especially on Q 304. I've also disconnected the the cable from the erase head and tried to record on a blank cassette. The hiss/hum was noticeable lower but still there. I am aware that if anything had been on the tape it would not have erased it. There was no pop but when the cable was reconnected the pop returned when the deck was put into the record mode. In the meantime I have also demagnetized the head. This is a two head deck, by the way. This hum/hiss problem is more irritating than the pop.
> Anyway, thanks again for the advice, I'll keep checking
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
>
> ________________________________
> From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of Richard L.
> Hess via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:03 PM
> To: Peter Tanner via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z recording problem
>
>
> Hi, Peter,
>
>
> It sounds as if DC is somehow getting into the record head. Look for a shorted capacitor between the record amp and the head.
>
>
> The DC in the head is a cause of the noise (DC bias is much noisier than AC bias).
>
> The Pop would indicate a shift in DC levels (although it could be other things).
>
>
> Another tree to bark up is the record amp oscillating? That might cause overbias.
>
>
> Note, I would do a careful demagnetizing of the record head after you fix the problem because if there is residual magnetism in the head, it will erase the higher frequencies of your tapes on each pass.
>
>
> Good luck.
>
>
> Let us know.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> On 2020-03-24 11:58 a.m., Peter Tanner via Naktalk wrote:
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> I may have posted this earlier but the problem stayed on.
>
> I have a 480Z that plays back very well but has a recording problem. It records a loud pop when put into the record mode and also puts a heavy hiss on the tape. All orange caps in the bias oscillator, in the record amp and in the Dolby NR have been replaced. No change. The record switch has been cleaned and it functions well. In playback all functions are good. If anyone has an idea please pass it on.
> Thanks in advance
>
> Peter
>
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> http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm
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From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Peter Tanner via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 10:59:16 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z recording problem
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I've changed that transistor,  Q304. The new one has the same voltage. Still 24 volt on all three leads. Besides the orange caps, C 308 an electrolytic cap and 3 transistors have been changed in that bias oscillator. Can't find the problem. Guess I just have to live with it. At least the playback is good. Thanks anyway.

________________________________
From: Francis Flynn <fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 6:32 PM
To: Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z recording problem

A transistor with the same voltage on each lead would obviously
indicate a circuitry problem such as a bad transistor.  Electrolytic
capacitors are a more common failure point than the transistors
themselves, but transistors as well as any other component can fail.

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 5:57 PM Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've done that several times. I don't think it's a record switch problem. In the bias oscillator one of the transistors, the Q304 has 24 volts on all three leads in the record mode. I can't figure out why. Thanks for the suggestion, anyway.
>
> Peter
>
> ________________________________
> From: Francis Flynn <fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 6:51 PM
> To: Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z recording problem
>
> It's 2 head?  Have you tried cleaning the record/play switch?  Spray
> some cleaner into that long switch and work it back and forth a few
> times.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 4:46 PM Peter Tanner via Naktalk
> <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you, Richard,
> >
> > I'm not sure if I can find a shorted capacitor as the SM I have here has been sent to me on this forum but it's really blurred. Plus I am a novice at this. Would not know what to look for. I did check some DC voltages in the bias oscillator and some are quite weird. Especially on Q 304. I've also disconnected the the cable from the erase head and tried to record on a blank cassette. The hiss/hum was noticeable lower but still there. I am aware that if anything had been on the tape it would not have erased it. There was no pop but when the cable was reconnected the pop returned when the deck was put into the record mode. In the meantime I have also demagnetized the head. This is a two head deck, by the way. This hum/hiss problem is more irritating than the pop.
> > Anyway, thanks again for the advice, I'll keep checking
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of Richard L. Hess via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:03 PM
> > To: Peter Tanner via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z recording problem
> >
> >
> > Hi, Peter,
> >
> >
> > It sounds as if DC is somehow getting into the record head. Look for a shorted capacitor between the record amp and the head.
> >
> >
> > The DC in the head is a cause of the noise (DC bias is much noisier than AC bias).
> >
> > The Pop would indicate a shift in DC levels (although it could be other things).
> >
> >
> > Another tree to bark up is the record amp oscillating? That might cause overbias.
> >
> >
> > Note, I would do a careful demagnetizing of the record head after you fix the problem because if there is residual magnetism in the head, it will erase the higher frequencies of your tapes on each pass.
> >
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> >
> > Let us know.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2020-03-24 11:58 a.m., Peter Tanner via Naktalk wrote:
> >
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > I may have posted this earlier but the problem stayed on.
> >
> > I have a 480Z that plays back very well but has a recording problem. It records a loud pop when put into the record mode and also puts a heavy hiss on the tape. All orange caps in the bias oscillator, in the record amp and in the Dolby NR have been replaced. No change. The record switch has been cleaned and it functions well. In playback all functions are good. If anyone has an idea please pass it on.
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Peter
> >
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> > http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm
> > Quality tape transfers -- even from hard-to-play tapes.
> >
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 21:54:14 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] 480Z recording problem
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-----Original Message-----
From: weegenaar at bigpond.com <weegenaar at bigpond.com> 
Sent: Thursday, 26 March 2020 3:41 PM
To: 'Francis Flynn' <fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com>; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] 480Z recording problem

Hi there 

I also have a 480z and did fix the record problem similar to yours .  Replace  q301/ q302 (2sc945)  q303( 2sc1959) q3042 (sa562) . I think you have done the orange caps  c307 .068uf polypropylene c309/c310   4700pf  p/p     c311  .0022uf p/p. Also replace the 4.7uf electrolytic  c308 .       If you do all of these at the same time that should work .

The head is fine as it plays back ok .  Hope this helps 



-----Original Message-----
From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> On Behalf Of Francis Flynn via Naktalk
Sent: Thursday, 26 March 2020 11:52 AM
To: Peter Tanner <pbtanner at hotmail.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z recording problem

It's 2 head?  Have you tried cleaning the record/play switch?  Spray some cleaner into that long switch and work it back and forth a few times.


On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 4:46 PM Peter Tanner via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you, Richard,
>
> I'm not sure if I can find a shorted capacitor as the SM I have here has been sent to me on this forum but it's really blurred. Plus I am a novice at this. Would not know what to look for. I did check some DC voltages in the bias oscillator and some are quite weird. Especially on Q 304. I've also disconnected the the cable from the erase head and tried to record on a blank cassette. The hiss/hum was noticeable lower but still there. I am aware that if anything had been on the tape it would not have erased it. There was no pop but when the cable was reconnected the pop returned when the deck was put into the record mode. In the meantime I have also demagnetized the head. This is a two head deck, by the way. This hum/hiss problem is more irritating than the pop.
> Anyway, thanks again for the advice, I'll keep checking
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
>
> ________________________________
> From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of Richard L. 
> Hess via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:03 PM
> To: Peter Tanner via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] 480Z recording problem
>
>
> Hi, Peter,
>
>
> It sounds as if DC is somehow getting into the record head. Look for a shorted capacitor between the record amp and the head.
>
>
> The DC in the head is a cause of the noise (DC bias is much noisier than AC bias).
>
> The Pop would indicate a shift in DC levels (although it could be other things).
>
>
> Another tree to bark up is the record amp oscillating? That might cause overbias.
>
>
> Note, I would do a careful demagnetizing of the record head after you fix the problem because if there is residual magnetism in the head, it will erase the higher frequencies of your tapes on each pass.
>
>
> Good luck.
>
>
> Let us know.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> On 2020-03-24 11:58 a.m., Peter Tanner via Naktalk wrote:
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> I may have posted this earlier but the problem stayed on.
>
> I have a 480Z that plays back very well but has a recording problem. It records a loud pop when put into the record mode and also puts a heavy hiss on the tape. All orange caps in the bias oscillator, in the record amp and in the Dolby NR have been replaced. No change. The record switch has been cleaned and it functions well. In playback all functions are good. If anyone has an idea please pass it on.
> Thanks in advance
>
> Peter
>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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> your account here: http://lists.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
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>
> --
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> Aurora, Ontario, Canada           http://www.richardhess.com/
> http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm
> Quality tape transfers -- even from hard-to-play tapes.
>
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> your account here: http://lists.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed Apr 15 22:38:05 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Marcelo Mansour particular via Naktalk)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 17:38:05 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] CR-30
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAA800usbiCNNjfbvYcwJz/8BAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAAA8A5CklYTzRYoyZwdcL1fFAQAAAAA=@terra.com.br>

Hi Everybody,

 

I'm having problems with my CR-30, I was listening to music and suddenly
stopped playing, the keys "play" and "pause" starting flashed and the "stop"
key didn't work, I tried to eject the tape but it didn't work it isn’t
possible because the head block has stuck to the tape.

 

I believe the problem is in the control motor and control switches, but I
have no idea how to check it? Service manual has some instructions but is
quite difficult to understand positions of CAM 0/1/2 or right position of
each.

 

If anyone has any information let me know ASAP.

 

 

Atenciosamente / Saludos / Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüssen,

 

Marcelo Farid Mansour

Tel: +55-11 4425-4245

Cel: +55-11 96831-5151

Rua Senador Queirós, 165

Vila Scarpelli - Santo André-SP-Brazil

Zip Code: 09050-300

 

 

 

 

 

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From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (martin ferreira via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 08:55:26 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] CR-30
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Start by cleaning the leaf switches of the control motor by passing a business card wet with alcohol between the switches. If that doesn't work you will have to remove the motor for cleaning or replacement. Good luck


Martin Ferreira
________________________________
From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of Marcelo Mansour particular via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 8:38 PM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: [naktalk] CR-30


Hi Everybody,



I'm having problems with my CR-30, I was listening to music and suddenly stopped playing, the keys "play" and "pause" starting flashed and the "stop" key didn't work, I tried to eject the tape but it didn't work it isn’t possible because the head block has stuck to the tape.



I believe the problem is in the control motor and control switches, but I have no idea how to check it? Service manual has some instructions but is quite difficult to understand positions of CAM 0/1/2 or right position of each.



If anyone has any information let me know ASAP.





Atenciosamente / Saludos / Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüssen,



Marcelo Farid Mansour

Tel: +55-11 4425-4245

Cel: +55-11 96831-5151

Rua Senador Queirós, 165

Vila Scarpelli - Santo André-SP-Brazil

Zip Code: 09050-300










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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Thu Apr 16 14:48:50 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Francis Flynn via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 07:48:50 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CR-30
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The mode motors tend to develop "dead spots" over the years.  By "dead
spot", I mean there my be a small amount of corrosion on the motor's
commutator.  Sometimes, if you can turn the motor a little by hand, it
may be enough to get the motor to start rotating again.  Or it may be
a bit of corrosion on a leaf switch, either is possible.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 4:17 AM martin ferreira via Naktalk
<naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>
> Start by cleaning the leaf switches of the control motor by passing a business card wet with alcohol between the switches. If that doesn't work you will have to remove the motor for cleaning or replacement. Good luck
>
>
> Martin Ferreira
> ________________________________
> From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of Marcelo Mansour particular via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 8:38 PM
> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-30
>
>
> Hi Everybody,
>
>
>
> I'm having problems with my CR-30, I was listening to music and suddenly stopped playing, the keys "play" and "pause" starting flashed and the "stop" key didn't work, I tried to eject the tape but it didn't work it isn’t possible because the head block has stuck to the tape.
>
>
>
> I believe the problem is in the control motor and control switches, but I have no idea how to check it? Service manual has some instructions but is quite difficult to understand positions of CAM 0/1/2 or right position of each.
>
>
>
> If anyone has any information let me know ASAP.
>
>
>
>
>
> Atenciosamente / Saludos / Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüssen,
>
>
>
> Marcelo Farid Mansour
>
> Tel: +55-11 4425-4245
>
> Cel: +55-11 96831-5151
>
> Rua Senador Queirós, 165
>
> Vila Scarpelli - Santo André-SP-Brazil
>
> Zip Code: 09050-300
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>           Also check out the wiki! http://wiki.naks.com
> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
>                         Naktalk at lists.naks.com mailinglist
> Maintain your account here: http://lists.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Thu Apr 16 17:09:57 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Marcelo Mansour particular via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:09:57 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] RES:  CR-30
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Hi Martin,

 

I did cleaning all Cam contacts with cleaner contacts and the motor rotation
but it seems that it does not found the right position, head block go and
back and it seems looking for right position, and play and pause keys
blinking and any other key does not work.

 

Rgds,

 

MMansour

De: martin ferreira <martinferreira at hotmail.com> 
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 16 de abril de 2020 05:55
Para: Marcelo Mansour particular <marcelo.mansour at terra.com.br>; Talk about
Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] CR-30
Sensibilidade: Confidencial

 

Start by cleaning the leaf switches of the control motor by passing a
business card wet with alcohol between the switches. If that doesn't work
you will have to remove the motor for cleaning or replacement. Good luck

 

 

Martin Ferreira 

  _____  

From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com
<mailto:naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> > on behalf of Marcelo Mansour
particular via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com
<mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 8:38 PM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at lists.naks.com
<mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com> >
Subject: [naktalk] CR-30 

 

Hi Everybody,

 

I'm having problems with my CR-30, I was listening to music and suddenly
stopped playing, the keys "play" and "pause" starting flashed and the "stop"
key didn't work, I tried to eject the tape but it didn't work it isn’t
possible because the head block has stuck to the tape.

 

I believe the problem is in the control motor and control switches, but I
have no idea how to check it? Service manual has some instructions but is
quite difficult to understand positions of CAM 0/1/2 or right position of
each.

 

If anyone has any information let me know ASAP.

 

 

Atenciosamente / Saludos / Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüssen,

 

Marcelo Farid Mansour

Tel: +55-11 4425-4245

Cel: +55-11 96831-5151

Rua Senador Queirós, 165

Vila Scarpelli - Santo André-SP-Brazil

Zip Code: 09050-300

 

 

 

 

 

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Thu Apr 16 17:12:44 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Marcelo Mansour particular via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:12:44 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] RES:  CR-30
In-Reply-To: <CACyUB3_kzAXgv8JgrPnenvuY7oX-e3h8P2H2mG1qivgc8wZZ2A@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Francis,

I force little bit with my fingers and control motor start rotating but never stop, and it seems that it does not found the right position, head block go and back and it seems looking for right position, and play and pause keys blinking and any other key does not work.

Regards,

MMansour

-----Mensagem original-----
De: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> Em nome de Francis Flynn via Naktalk
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 16 de abril de 2020 09:49
Para: martin ferreira <martinferreira at hotmail.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] CR-30

The mode motors tend to develop "dead spots" over the years.  By "dead spot", I mean there my be a small amount of corrosion on the motor's commutator.  Sometimes, if you can turn the motor a little by hand, it may be enough to get the motor to start rotating again.  Or it may be a bit of corrosion on a leaf switch, either is possible.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 4:17 AM martin ferreira via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>
> Start by cleaning the leaf switches of the control motor by passing a 
> business card wet with alcohol between the switches. If that doesn't 
> work you will have to remove the motor for cleaning or replacement. 
> Good luck
>
>
> Martin Ferreira
> ________________________________
> From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of Marcelo 
> Mansour particular via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 8:38 PM
> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-30
>
>
> Hi Everybody,
>
>
>
> I'm having problems with my CR-30, I was listening to music and suddenly stopped playing, the keys "play" and "pause" starting flashed and the "stop" key didn't work, I tried to eject the tape but it didn't work it isn’t possible because the head block has stuck to the tape.
>
>
>
> I believe the problem is in the control motor and control switches, but I have no idea how to check it? Service manual has some instructions but is quite difficult to understand positions of CAM 0/1/2 or right position of each.
>
>
>
> If anyone has any information let me know ASAP.
>
>
>
>
>
> Atenciosamente / Saludos / Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüssen,
>
>
>
> Marcelo Farid Mansour
>
> Tel: +55-11 4425-4245
>
> Cel: +55-11 96831-5151
>
> Rua Senador Queirós, 165
>
> Vila Scarpelli - Santo André-SP-Brazil
>
> Zip Code: 09050-300
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Thu Apr 16 23:43:25 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Daniel Botelho via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 17:43:25 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RES:  CR-30
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAA800usbiCNNjfbvYcwJz/8BAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAAApzFRSiU3lQ5xfdrtIVSB7AQAAAAA=@terra.com.br>
Message-ID: <juml99kjmcr58ojrvonq0hcq.1587073405064@gmail.com>

Clean those leaf switches with 800grit sandpaper.  Make sure they make contact.   :)

This happens more often than not...





	  Original Message  



From: naktalk at lists.naks.com
Sent: April 16, 2020 17:37
To: fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com; naktalk at lists.naks.com; martinferreira at hotmail.com
Reply to: marcelo.mansour at terra.com.br; naktalk at lists.naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] RES: CR-30


Hi Francis,

I force little bit with my fingers and control motor start rotating but never stop, and it seems that it does not found the right position, head block go and back and it seems looking for right position, and play and pause keys blinking and any other key does not work.

Regards,

MMansour

-----Mensagem original-----
De: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> Em nome de Francis Flynn via Naktalk
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 16 de abril de 2020 09:49
Para: martin ferreira <martinferreira at hotmail.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Assunto: Re: [naktalk] CR-30

The mode motors tend to develop "dead spots" over the years.  By "dead spot", I mean there my be a small amount of corrosion on the motor's commutator.  Sometimes, if you can turn the motor a little by hand, it may be enough to get the motor to start rotating again.  Or it may be a bit of corrosion on a leaf switch, either is possible.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 4:17 AM martin ferreira via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>
> Start by cleaning the leaf switches of the control motor by passing a
> business card wet with alcohol between the switches. If that doesn't
> work you will have to remove the motor for cleaning or replacement.
> Good luck
>
>
> Martin Ferreira
> ________________________________
> From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of Marcelo
> Mansour particular via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 8:38 PM
> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-30
>
>
> Hi Everybody,
>
>
>
> I'm having problems with my CR-30, I was listening to music and suddenly stopped playing, the keys "play" and "pause" starting flashed and the "stop" key didn't work, I tried to eject the tape but it didn't work it isn’t possible because the head block has stuck to the tape.
>
>
>
> I believe the problem is in the control motor and control switches, but I have no idea how to check it? Service manual has some instructions but is quite difficult to understand positions of CAM 0/1/2 or right position of each.
>
>
>
> If anyone has any information let me know ASAP.
>
>
>
>
>
> Atenciosamente / Saludos / Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüssen,
>
>
>
> Marcelo Farid Mansour
>
> Tel: +55-11 4425-4245
>
> Cel: +55-11 96831-5151
>
> Rua Senador Queirós, 165
>
> Vila Scarpelli - Santo André-SP-Brazil
>
> Zip Code: 09050-300
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Apr 17 09:39:47 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Ural Durusu via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 10:39:47 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] RES:  CR-30
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAA800usbiCNNjfbvYcwJz/8BAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAACkyxiLYJtXTL17KdXHmbY4AQAAAAA=@terra.com.br>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAA800usbiCNNjfbvYcwJz/8BAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAACkyxiLYJtXTL17KdXHmbY4AQAAAAA=@terra.com.br>
Message-ID: <7069FE0A-E172-4B72-991A-0B0A1F23C394@ttmail.com>

My CR7 did the same thing. To release the head block I touched and tried to move the gear slightly back and forth just to make a movement at the worm gear of the motor shaft.

I sprayed some deoxit into the motor through the holes at the back of it. Then it started to operate as normal since 3 months. Up to here these were the advices of Willy Herman.

Eslabs is selling replacement motor kit or motor I am not sure now, if it is a kit with the gears or only a motor. I am planing to buy one.

Regards
Ural Durusu 


iPhone’umdan gönderildi

> Marcelo Mansour particular via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> şunları yazdı (17 Nis 2020 00:37):
> 
> 
> Hi Martin,
>  
> I did cleaning all Cam contacts with cleaner contacts and the motor rotation but it seems that it does not found the right position, head block go and back and it seems looking for right position, and play and pause keys blinking and any other key does not work.
>  
> Rgds,
>  
> MMansour
> De: martin ferreira <martinferreira at hotmail.com> 
> Enviada em: quinta-feira, 16 de abril de 2020 05:55
> Para: Marcelo Mansour particular <marcelo.mansour at terra.com.br>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Assunto: Re: [naktalk] CR-30
> Sensibilidade: Confidencial
>  
> Start by cleaning the leaf switches of the control motor by passing a business card wet with alcohol between the switches. If that doesn't work you will have to remove the motor for cleaning or replacement. Good luck
>  
>  
> Martin Ferreira
> From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of Marcelo Mansour particular via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 8:38 PM
> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Subject: [naktalk] CR-30
>  
> Hi Everybody,
>  
> I'm having problems with my CR-30, I was listening to music and suddenly stopped playing, the keys "play" and "pause" starting flashed and the "stop" key didn't work, I tried to eject the tape but it didn't work it isn’t possible because the head block has stuck to the tape.
>  
> I believe the problem is in the control motor and control switches, but I have no idea how to check it? Service manual has some instructions but is quite difficult to understand positions of CAM 0/1/2 or right position of each.
>  
> If anyone has any information let me know ASAP.
>  
>  
> Atenciosamente / Saludos / Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüssen,
>  
> Marcelo Farid Mansour
> Tel: +55-11 4425-4245
> Cel: +55-11 96831-5151
> Rua Senador Queirós, 165
> Vila Scarpelli - Santo André-SP-Brazil
> Zip Code: 09050-300
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Apr 20 03:48:00 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Ali Hingoro via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 21:48:00 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] RES: CR-30
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAA800usbiCNNjfbvYcwJz/8BAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAACkyxiLYJtXTL17KdXHmbY4AQAAAAA=@terra.com.br>
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 <DB8PR10MB3675CC3D15BB8736C4BE89AFDED80@DB8PR10MB3675.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAA800usbiCNNjfbvYcwJz/8BAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAACkyxiLYJtXTL17KdXHmbY4AQAAAAA=@terra.com.br>
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try this it might just solve your problem: reverse the wires on the motor
terminals itself the brown goes to where the white wire is and the white in
place of brown wire and let us know the results :) best regards! Ali . I
have been very  fortunate enough to own almost all NAKAMICHI cassette decks
ever made from the mighty 1000zxl, dragon to cr 7 :)

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 5:37 PM Marcelo Mansour particular via Naktalk <
naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

> Hi Martin,
>
>
>
> I did cleaning all Cam contacts with cleaner contacts and the motor
> rotation but it seems that it does not found the right position, head block
> go and back and it seems looking for right position, and play and pause
> keys blinking and any other key does not work.
>
>
>
> Rgds,
>
>
>
> MMansour
>
> *De:* martin ferreira <martinferreira at hotmail.com>
> *Enviada em:* quinta-feira, 16 de abril de 2020 05:55
> *Para:* Marcelo Mansour particular <marcelo.mansour at terra.com.br>; Talk
> about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> *Assunto:* Re: [naktalk] CR-30
> *Sensibilidade:* Confidencial
>
>
>
> Start by cleaning the leaf switches of the control motor by passing a
> business card wet with alcohol between the switches. If that doesn't work
> you will have to remove the motor for cleaning or replacement. Good luck
>
>
>
>
>
> *Martin Ferreira*
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of Marcelo
> Mansour particular via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 15, 2020 8:38 PM
> *To:* 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> *Subject:* [naktalk] CR-30
>
>
>
> Hi Everybody,
>
>
>
> I'm having problems with my CR-30, I was listening to music and suddenly
> stopped playing, the keys "play" and "pause" starting flashed and the
> "stop" key didn't work, I tried to eject the tape but it didn't work it
> isn’t possible because the head block has stuck to the tape.
>
>
>
> I believe the problem is in the control motor and control switches, but I
> have no idea how to check it? Service manual has some instructions but is
> quite difficult to understand positions of CAM 0/1/2 or right position of
> each.
>
>
>
> If anyone has any information let me know ASAP.
>
>
>
>
>
> Atenciosamente / Saludos / Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüssen,
>
>
>
> Marcelo Farid Mansour
>
> Tel: +55-11 4425-4245
>
> Cel: +55-11 96831-5151
>
> Rua Senador Queirós, 165
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Rua+Senador+Queir%C3%B3s,+165+Vila+Scarpelli+-+Santo+Andr%C3%A9-SP-Brazil+Zip+Code:+09050-300?entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> Vila Scarpelli - Santo André-SP-Brazil
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Rua+Senador+Queir%C3%B3s,+165+Vila+Scarpelli+-+Santo+Andr%C3%A9-SP-Brazil+Zip+Code:+09050-300?entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> Zip Code: 09050-300
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri May  8 00:45:03 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Marc Mickelson via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 18:45:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [naktalk] CrO2 cassettes and accessories for sale
Message-ID: <711698535.144283348.1588891503276.JavaMail.zimbra@cableone.net>

Hello Naktalkers, 

I will be moving and I'm looking to get rid of some leftover supplies. I have 27 sealed CrO2 cassettes, two demag devices and a very nice TEAC tape kit for sale. I don't know what these are worth, so I'm willing to take the highest offer, including shipping (I'm in the US). I would prefer postal money order for payment, but I can accept Paypal. I've attached photos so you can see what's for sale. The tapes are stacked so you can see each kind and probably tell the number too.I've sold other items here, so perhaps other members can vouch for me. 

If you have questions, please let me know. I would like these items to go to someone who will use them, hence the posting here. 


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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri May  8 08:08:07 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Sean Reid via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 06:08:07 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] CrO2 cassettes and accessories for sale
In-Reply-To: <711698535.144283348.1588891503276.JavaMail.zimbra@cableone.net>
References: <711698535.144283348.1588891503276.JavaMail.zimbra@cableone.net>
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how does one go about getting a hold of you privately then?

Sean

________________________________
From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of Marc Mickelson via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: May 7, 2020 6:45 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Subject: [naktalk] CrO2 cassettes and accessories for sale

Hello Naktalkers,

I will be moving and I'm looking to get rid of some leftover supplies. I have 27 sealed CrO2 cassettes, two demag devices and a very nice TEAC tape kit for sale. I don't know what these are worth, so I'm willing to take the highest offer, including shipping (I'm in the US). I would prefer postal money order for payment, but I can accept Paypal. I've attached photos so you can see what's for sale. The tapes are stacked so you can see each kind and probably tell the number too.I've sold other items here, so perhaps other members can vouch for me.

If you have questions, please let me know. I would like these items to go to someone who will use them, hence the posting here.

[cid:f8ad244131e72b26d772c348edbf891133bf2c50 at zimbra]

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri May  8 08:50:48 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Jeff Ringer via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 01:50:48 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CrO2 cassettes and accessories for sale
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Maybe ping me on Audiogon - Jmrdc. 

On May 8, 2020, at 1:09 AM, Sean Reid via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:


how does one go about getting a hold of you privately then?

Sean

From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of Marc Mickelson via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: May 7, 2020 6:45 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Subject: [naktalk] CrO2 cassettes and accessories for sale
 
Hello Naktalkers,

I will be moving and I'm looking to get rid of some leftover supplies. I have 27 sealed CrO2 cassettes, two demag devices and a very nice TEAC tape kit for sale. I don't know what these are worth, so I'm willing to take the highest offer, including shipping (I'm in the US). I would prefer postal money order for payment, but I can accept Paypal. I've attached photos so you can see what's for sale. The tapes are stacked so you can see each kind and probably tell the number too.I've sold other items here, so perhaps other members can vouch for me.

If you have questions, please let me know. I would like these items to go to someone who will use them, hence the posting here.

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri May  8 08:48:40 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Jeff Ringer via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 01:48:40 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] CrO2 cassettes and accessories for sale
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I’m new to the list since ‘19, so I don’t know. But I’m interested. And agree with privately. 

On May 8, 2020, at 1:09 AM, Sean Reid via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:


how does one go about getting a hold of you privately then?

Sean

From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of Marc Mickelson via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: May 7, 2020 6:45 PM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
Subject: [naktalk] CrO2 cassettes and accessories for sale
 
Hello Naktalkers,

I will be moving and I'm looking to get rid of some leftover supplies. I have 27 sealed CrO2 cassettes, two demag devices and a very nice TEAC tape kit for sale. I don't know what these are worth, so I'm willing to take the highest offer, including shipping (I'm in the US). I would prefer postal money order for payment, but I can accept Paypal. I've attached photos so you can see what's for sale. The tapes are stacked so you can see each kind and probably tell the number too.I've sold other items here, so perhaps other members can vouch for me.

If you have questions, please let me know. I would like these items to go to someone who will use them, hence the posting here.

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri May  8 14:23:11 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 14:23:11 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [naktalk] CrO2 cassettes and accessories for sale
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Hi 

I offer you $50 +shipping for the TEAC kit. The tapes are not interesting to me, over the year I have already acquired a large stack of tapes used and sealed in different lengths. But I was never lucky to find a big tape kit. 

-Mikkel 


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Til: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com> 
Sendt: fredag, 8. maj 2020 00:45:03 
Emne: [naktalk] CrO2 cassettes and accessories for sale 

Hello Naktalkers, 

I will be moving and I'm looking to get rid of some leftover supplies. I have 27 sealed CrO2 cassettes, two demag devices and a very nice TEAC tape kit for sale. I don't know what these are worth, so I'm willing to take the highest offer, including shipping (I'm in the US). I would prefer postal money order for payment, but I can accept Paypal. I've attached photos so you can see what's for sale. The tapes are stacked so you can see each kind and probably tell the number too.I've sold other items here, so perhaps other members can vouch for me. 

If you have questions, please let me know. I would like these items to go to someone who will use them, hence the posting here. 



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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri May  8 15:40:43 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Daniel Botelho via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2020 09:40:43 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CrO2 cassettes and accessories for sale
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri May  8 23:49:43 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Daniel Botelho via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 17:49:43 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CrO2 cassettes and accessories for sale
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References: <711698535.144283348.1588891503276.JavaMail.zimbra@cableone.net>
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Hey guys,

Just wanted to let you all know that the kit has been sold.  :)
Looking forward to receiving the kit.  thanks Marc!

Dan

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 2:09 AM Sean Reid via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
wrote:

> how does one go about getting a hold of you privately then?
>
> Sean
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of Marc
> Mickelson via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> *Sent:* May 7, 2020 6:45 PM
> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at naks.com>
> *Subject:* [naktalk] CrO2 cassettes and accessories for sale
>
> Hello Naktalkers,
>
> I will be moving and I'm looking to get rid of some leftover supplies. I
> have 27 sealed CrO2 cassettes, two demag devices and a very nice TEAC tape
> kit for sale. I don't know what these are worth, so I'm willing to take the
> highest offer, including shipping (I'm in the US). I would prefer postal
> money order for payment, but I can accept Paypal. I've attached photos so
> you can see what's for sale. The tapes are stacked so you can see each kind
> and probably tell the number too.I've sold other items here, so perhaps
> other members can vouch for me.
>
> If you have questions, please let me know. I would like these items to go
> to someone who will use them, hence the posting here.
>
>
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun May 10 15:23:30 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Mark Exstedt via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 13:23:30 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Problem with Two Dragons - Please Help
Message-ID: <BYAPR14MB2776074E9DBAFF8C5218404DDBA00@BYAPR14MB2776.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

I tried a local guy to tune up my two Dragons.
Problems were sluggish FF and REW and the cassette may/will go into stop mode before playing a cassette all the way through.
All other functions were working.

Tech says he was unable to fix both Dragons (although he did a good job repairing my 680ZX).
Received both Dragons back, but the cassette door does not open upon pushing EJECT on both Dragons.

My observance:
With power off, I manually turned the transport gear to lower the transport. Pushed EJECT and door opened.
Upon powering up:
Transport goes up automatically (without pushing PLAY), capstans are turning and are engaged with pinch rollers. Reels do not move when pushing PLAY in either direction.
Transport stays up when I push STOP.
Pushed REW and FF - works (keep in mind, transport is still in 'up' position).
Upon powering off, transport does not go down.
(back to previous step: With power off, I manually turned the transport gear to lower the transport. Pushed EJECT and door opened)

Please advise.


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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun May 10 15:35:14 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Daniel Botelho via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 09:35:14 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Problem with Two Dragons - Please Help
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun May 10 16:00:24 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Mark Exstedt via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 14:00:24 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Problem with Two Dragons - Please Help
In-Reply-To: <trbufvtvi31494k4ejngtk3r.1589117714657@gmail.com>
References: <BYAPR14MB2776074E9DBAFF8C5218404DDBA00@BYAPR14MB2776.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>,
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I was able to bring the mechanism down.
It's mentioned in my post: With power off, I manually turned the transport gear to lower the transport. Pushed EJECT and door opened.


________________________________
From: Daniel Botelho <daniel.botelho at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 7:35 AM
To: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>; Nakamichi List <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem with Two Dragons - Please Help

It appears that the tech did a nice number on your dragons.  :(

It appears that either the cam belt is loose, or the leaf switches in the mechanism need cleaning.   If you open the deck up and turn the large white cam gear, you should be able to bring the mechanism down.

You'll be best to send it out to a nak tech though.  I'm sorry to hear that he was not able to get it going, as the idler gear is usually the culprit for slow rew/ffwd

From: naktalk at lists.naks.com
Sent: May 10, 2020 09:27
To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
Reply to: mark8559 at hotmail.com; naktalk at lists.naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Problem with Two Dragons - Please Help

I tried a local guy to tune up my two Dragons.
Problems were sluggish FF and REW and the cassette may/will go into stop mode before playing a cassette all the way through.
All other functions were working.

Tech says he was unable to fix both Dragons (although he did a good job repairing my 680ZX).
Received both Dragons back, but the cassette door does not open upon pushing EJECT on both Dragons.

My observance:
With power off, I manually turned the transport gear to lower the transport. Pushed EJECT and door opened.
Upon powering up:
Transport goes up automatically (without pushing PLAY), capstans are turning and are engaged with pinch rollers. Reels do not move when pushing PLAY in either direction.
Transport stays up when I push STOP.
Pushed REW and FF - works (keep in mind, transport is still in 'up' position).
Upon powering off, transport does not go down.
(back to previous step: With power off, I manually turned the transport gear to lower the transport. Pushed EJECT and door opened)

Please advise.


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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun May 10 18:16:12 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Mark Exstedt via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 16:16:12 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Problem with Two Dragons - Please Help
In-Reply-To: <1449355570.957063.1589121310246@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <BYAPR14MB2776074E9DBAFF8C5218404DDBA00@BYAPR14MB2776.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <trbufvtvi31494k4ejngtk3r.1589117714657@gmail.com>
 <BYAPR14MB2776105B8CC4EFA045D3A869DBA00@BYAPR14MB2776.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>,
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Correct Ram, no leaf switches.

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From: shanti ramachandran <shantiram2000 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:35 AM
To: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem with Two Dragons - Please Help

FYI The Dragon does not have any leaf switches.

Ram.

On Sunday, May 10, 2020, 10:08:49 AM EDT, Mark Exstedt via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:


I was able to bring the mechanism down.
It's mentioned in my post: With power off, I manually turned the transport gear to lower the transport. Pushed EJECT and door opened.


________________________________
From: Daniel Botelho <daniel.botelho at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 7:35 AM
To: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>; Nakamichi List <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem with Two Dragons - Please Help

It appears that the tech did a nice number on your dragons.  :(

It appears that either the cam belt is loose, or the leaf switches in the mechanism need cleaning.   If you open the deck up and turn the large white cam gear, you should be able to bring the mechanism down.

You'll be best to send it out to a nak tech though.  I'm sorry to hear that he was not able to get it going, as the idler gear is usually the culprit for slow rew/ffwd

From: naktalk at lists.naks.com
Sent: May 10, 2020 09:27
To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
Reply to: mark8559 at hotmail.com; naktalk at lists.naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] Problem with Two Dragons - Please Help

I tried a local guy to tune up my two Dragons.
Problems were sluggish FF and REW and the cassette may/will go into stop mode before playing a cassette all the way through.
All other functions were working.

Tech says he was unable to fix both Dragons (although he did a good job repairing my 680ZX).
Received both Dragons back, but the cassette door does not open upon pushing EJECT on both Dragons.

My observance:
With power off, I manually turned the transport gear to lower the transport. Pushed EJECT and door opened.
Upon powering up:
Transport goes up automatically (without pushing PLAY), capstans are turning and are engaged with pinch rollers. Reels do not move when pushing PLAY in either direction.
Transport stays up when I push STOP.
Pushed REW and FF - works (keep in mind, transport is still in 'up' position).
Upon powering off, transport does not go down.
(back to previous step: With power off, I manually turned the transport gear to lower the transport. Pushed EJECT and door opened)

Please advise.


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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun May 10 18:24:34 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Willy Hermann via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 09:24:34 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Problem with Two Dragons - Please Help
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR14MB277698967BEC3B5C151A30B2DBA00@BYAPR14MB2776.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR14MB2776074E9DBAFF8C5218404DDBA00@BYAPR14MB2776.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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Best guess -- the transport plinths were separated by the tech, then
reassembled incorrectly.  The pot at the back of the large cam gear has a
fork on it which needs to straddle a bar on the cam.  That pot tells the
mechanism where the cam gear is.  If it's not connected correctly the cam
motor will continuously run driving the cam to it's fully up position.
Willy
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun May 10 18:26:30 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Mark Exstedt via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 16:26:30 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Problem with Two Dragons - Please Help
In-Reply-To: <CAM9V8MfO5amHR3=3G5Wh37J_srOf36Lb3Q7kTh1BTs4nkbXJ-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BYAPR14MB2776074E9DBAFF8C5218404DDBA00@BYAPR14MB2776.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <trbufvtvi31494k4ejngtk3r.1589117714657@gmail.com>
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Thank you so much Willy for your input !

________________________________
From: Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 10:24 AM
To: Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem with Two Dragons - Please Help

Best guess -- the transport plinths were separated by the tech, then reassembled incorrectly.  The pot at the back of the large cam gear has a fork on it which needs to straddle a bar on the cam.  That pot tells the mechanism where the cam gear is.  If it's not connected correctly the cam motor will continuously run driving the cam to it's fully up position.
Willy
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon May 11 13:00:32 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (perry via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 07:00:32 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragons =?utf-8?Q?don=E2=80=99t_?=work
Message-ID: <9dde2570-11e3-48a0-a448-f469ee92abc3@Perrys-iphone>

What Willy said is correct. Avoid that local tech in the future. That is Nak Servce 101.

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon May 11 17:56:59 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (calman46 via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 11:56:59 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
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Message-ID: <041c01d627ac$ce7f8490$6b7e8db0$@verizon.net>

Hello all. I am going to recap my LX-5 . but first I would like to quiet
down the transport .(has newer NAK belt) The deck plays fine but is noisy in
play mode . There are no strange noises the deck is just running . I did
clean the idler tire and that seem to help some but I can hear the transport
between songs  . Any suggestions on this deck would be greatly appreciated ,
thanks 

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Tue May 12 09:32:36 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 17:32:36 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
In-Reply-To: <041c01d627ac$ce7f8490$6b7e8db0$@verizon.net>
References: <041c01d627ac$ce7f8490$6b7e8db0$.ref@verizon.net>
 <041c01d627ac$ce7f8490$6b7e8db0$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <00a501d6282f$82d74bd0$8885e370$@bigpond.com>

The idler tyres can go hard and rumble somewhat try replacing it

 

 

From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> On Behalf Of calman46 via
Naktalk
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2020 1:57 AM
To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

 

Hello all. I am going to recap my LX-5 . but first I would like to quiet
down the transport .(has newer NAK belt) The deck plays fine but is noisy in
play mode . There are no strange noises the deck is just running . I did
clean the idler tire and that seem to help some but I can hear the transport
between songs  . Any suggestions on this deck would be greatly appreciated ,
thanks 



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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Tue May 12 15:59:43 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 13:59:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
In-Reply-To: <00a501d6282f$82d74bd0$8885e370$@bigpond.com>
References: <041c01d627ac$ce7f8490$6b7e8db0$.ref@verizon.net>
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 <00a501d6282f$82d74bd0$8885e370$@bigpond.com>
Message-ID: <852794261.1010764.1589291983056@mail.yahoo.com>

Makes sense , thanks 


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The idler tyres can go hard and rumble somewhat try replacing it

  

  

From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> On Behalf Of calman46 via Naktalk
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2020 1:57 AM
To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

  

Hello all. I am going to recap my LX-5 . but first I would like to quiet down the transport .(has newer NAK belt) The deck plays fine but is noisy in play mode . There are no strange noises the deck is just running . I did clean the idler tire and that seem to help some but I can hear the transport between songs  . Any suggestions on this deck would be greatly appreciated , thanks 


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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Tue May 12 16:18:16 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Marcelo Mansour particular via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:18:16 -0300
Subject: [naktalk] CR-30
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Hi Everybody,

 

I'm writing to inform you that problem with my CR-30 disappeared after the
cleaning the leaf switches.

 

Now my CR-30 works well and I revised the control motor and no problems at
all.

 

Thanks to Martin Ferreira/ Francis Flyn/Tom Van der Hoff and all that gave
me some information about this issue.

 

Atenciosamente / Saludos / Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüssen,

 

Marcelo Farid Mansour

Tel: +55-11 4425-4245

Cel: +55-11 96831-5151

Rua Senador Queirós, 165

Vila Scarpelli - Santo André-SP-Brazil

Zip Code: 09050-300

 

 

 

 

 

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Tue May 12 16:45:07 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Daniel Botelho via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 10:45:07 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] CR-30
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Yup!  Those pesky leaf switches will throw you a curveball if not
clean of carbon/dust.

I had a similar issue when working on an alpine AL85 not too long ago.
Funny enough, it doesn't come up that much in my travels, but you'll
know when it does.   :D

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:18 AM Marcelo Mansour particular via
Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Everybody,
>
>
>
> I'm writing to inform you that problem with my CR-30 disappeared after the cleaning the leaf switches.
>
>
>
> Now my CR-30 works well and I revised the control motor and no problems at all.
>
>
>
> Thanks to Martin Ferreira/ Francis Flyn/Tom Van der Hoff and all that gave me some information about this issue.
>
>
>
> Atenciosamente / Saludos / Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüssen,
>
>
>
> Marcelo Farid Mansour
>
> Tel: +55-11 4425-4245
>
> Cel: +55-11 96831-5151
>
> Rua Senador Queirós, 165
>
> Vila Scarpelli - Santo André-SP-Brazil
>
> Zip Code: 09050-300
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Tue May 12 22:33:37 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Tom Brucker via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 15:33:37 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Problem with Two Dragons - Please Help
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR14MB2776105B8CC4EFA045D3A869DBA00@BYAPR14MB2776.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR14MB2776074E9DBAFF8C5218404DDBA00@BYAPR14MB2776.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <trbufvtvi31494k4ejngtk3r.1589117714657@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAAqwSUaseWB8bt9LXNe+ajeuWpS7kT7t82_fxgjmCjEaikcmVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Is the black ground wire soldered to the cam motor case?

On Sun, May 10, 2020, 9:08 AM Mark Exstedt via Naktalk <
naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

> I was able to bring the mechanism down.
> It's mentioned in my post: With power off, I manually turned the transport
> gear to lower the transport. Pushed EJECT and door opened.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Daniel Botelho <daniel.botelho at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 10, 2020 7:35 AM
> *To:* Mark Exstedt <mark8559 at hotmail.com>; Nakamichi List <
> naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Problem with Two Dragons - Please Help
>
> It appears that the tech did a nice number on your dragons.  :(
>
> It appears that either the cam belt is loose, or the leaf switches in the
> mechanism need cleaning.   If you open the deck up and turn the large white
> cam gear, you should be able to bring the mechanism down.
>
> You'll be best to send it out to a nak tech though.  I'm sorry to hear
> that he was not able to get it going, as the idler gear is usually the
> culprit for slow rew/ffwd
>
> *From:* naktalk at lists.naks.com
> *Sent:* May 10, 2020 09:27
> *To:* naktalk at lists.naks.com
> *Reply to:* mark8559 at hotmail.com; naktalk at lists.naks.com
> *Subject:* [naktalk] Problem with Two Dragons - Please Help
>
> I tried a local guy to tune up my two Dragons.
> Problems were sluggish FF and REW and the cassette may/will go into stop
> mode before playing a cassette all the way through.
> All other functions were working.
>
> Tech says he was unable to fix both Dragons (although he did a good job
> repairing my 680ZX).
> Received both Dragons back, but the cassette door does not open upon
> pushing EJECT on both Dragons.
>
> My observance:
> With power off, I manually turned the transport gear to lower the
> transport. Pushed EJECT and door opened.
> Upon powering up:
> Transport goes up automatically (without pushing PLAY), capstans are
> turning and are engaged with pinch rollers. Reels do not move when pushing
> PLAY in either direction.
> Transport stays up when I push STOP.
> Pushed REW and FF - works (keep in mind, transport is still in 'up'
> position).
> Upon powering off, transport does not go down.
> (back to previous step: With power off, I manually turned the transport
> gear to lower the transport. Pushed EJECT and door opened)
>
> Please advise.
>
>
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From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Willy Hermann via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 13:46:49 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Problem with Two Dragons - Please Help
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Tue May 12 23:18:32 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Tom Brucker via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 16:18:32 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
In-Reply-To: <041c01d627ac$ce7f8490$6b7e8db0$@verizon.net>
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I have never experienced a noisy belt, but a hard idler tire is very noisy
and can be heard in play. A loose cam belt also makes noise because the
deck will almost be in play mode but the cam motor runs continuously.

On Mon, May 11, 2020, 11:41 AM calman46 via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
wrote:

> Hello all. I am going to recap my LX-5 . but first I would like to quiet
> down the transport .(has newer NAK belt) The deck plays fine but is noisy
> in play mode . There are no strange noises the deck is just running . I did
> clean the idler tire and that seem to help some but I can hear the
> transport between songs  . Any suggestions on this deck would be greatly
> appreciated , thanks
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed May 13 00:48:37 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Fran Flynn via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 17:48:37 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
In-Reply-To: <CAAqwSUbKMbPO_G1PoNMvAGpwSwciEB5wNgp+hTth62xQ6Pat0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <041c01d627ac$ce7f8490$6b7e8db0$.ref@verizon.net>
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If the deck has not been serviced since new or for a long time, a lot of 
the lubrication has dried up by now.  I would remove the transport, open 
the "sandwich", clean out the old grease and oil, then relube it with 
fresh lithium grease and synthetic light oil, then replace the idler 
rubber and belts.  It is not for the faint of heart if you have never 
done this.  You can do it if you take your time.    Take a lot of 
pictures with your smart phone and don't be in a hurry.

Or... you may be able to get away with just lubricating the center 
bushing on the cam with some oil, often that can squeak when changing 
modes, say from stop to FF, REW or Play.   Don't get oil on the mode 
belt, use as little as you can.

The LX5 is a nice machine and well worth restoring.

I've done a bunch of them.  I buy them broken and flip them on ebay.  I 
don't do repairs for others because I cannot source very many new parts, 
even finding good belts is hard since I have trouble buying from Fred 
Marrs.   They were very good belts, but getting them is really hard now.


On 5/12/2020 4:18 PM, Tom Brucker via Naktalk wrote:
> I have never experienced a noisy belt, but a hard idler tire is very 
> noisy and can be heard in play. A loose cam belt also makes noise 
> because the deck will almost be in play mode but the cam motor runs 
> continuously.
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020, 11:41 AM calman46 via Naktalk 
> <naktalk at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hello all. I am going to recap my LX-5 . but first I would like to
>     quiet down the transport .(has newer NAK belt) The deck plays fine
>     but is noisy in play mode . There are no strange noises the deck
>     is just running . I did clean the idler tire and that seem to help
>     some but I can hear the transport between songs  . Any suggestions
>     on this deck would be greatly appreciated , thanks
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed May 13 01:08:29 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Fran Flynn via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 18:08:29 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
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It might be a slipping mode belt.  I wonder what noise it's making 
exactly,  can you do a video (with audio) and post it somewhere?    If 
the mode belt is slipping, you will hear the mode motor running all the 
time trying to put the deck into play mode, but not quite getting it 
there, so it keeps trying forever.  A dry bushing might make a squeak 
when changing modes, that's dried up lubrication.   Sometimes it's a 
combination of things, in which case I would remove the transport and do 
a general overhaul.


On 5/12/2020 4:18 PM, Tom Brucker via Naktalk wrote:
> I have never experienced a noisy belt, but a hard idler tire is very 
> noisy and can be heard in play. A loose cam belt also makes noise 
> because the deck will almost be in play mode but the cam motor runs 
> continuously.
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020, 11:41 AM calman46 via Naktalk 
> <naktalk at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hello all. I am going to recap my LX-5 . but first I would like to
>     quiet down the transport .(has newer NAK belt) The deck plays fine
>     but is noisy in play mode . There are no strange noises the deck
>     is just running . I did clean the idler tire and that seem to help
>     some but I can hear the transport between songs  . Any suggestions
>     on this deck would be greatly appreciated , thanks
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Tue May 12 16:38:53 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (martin ferreira via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 14:38:53 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] CR-30
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you are welcome.
I am glad it was a simple solution that often is not obvious.
We do what we can to help
I have been where you are and have always valued the help I got from the NAK community.

let's all help keep those machines working.
hppoy listening
Martin Ferreira
________________________________
From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of Marcelo Mansour particular via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 2:18 PM
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: [naktalk] CR-30


Hi Everybody,



I'm writing to inform you that problem with my CR-30 disappeared after the cleaning the leaf switches.



Now my CR-30 works well and I revised the control motor and no problems at all.



Thanks to Martin Ferreira/ Francis Flyn/Tom Van der Hoff and all that gave me some information about this issue.



Atenciosamente / Saludos / Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüssen,



Marcelo Farid Mansour

Tel: +55-11 4425-4245

Cel: +55-11 96831-5151

Rua Senador Queirós, 165

Vila Scarpelli - Santo André-SP-Brazil

Zip Code: 09050-300










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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed May 13 01:56:57 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 23:56:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
In-Reply-To: <20e4b89c-03ff-d648-0774-90e8a202c82a@gmail.com>
References: <041c01d627ac$ce7f8490$6b7e8db0$.ref@verizon.net>
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The noise is more of a rattling noise .   Its not as loud in FW or RW but its there. When play is pushed I think I hear the heads engage first (more rattle) then I hear the transport running . I need to replace the tire first I think and checkout the transport parts .I've worked Pioneer decks CTF1250,CTF 1000 etc.. these NKAs are much more delicate 


-----Original Message-----
From: Fran Flynn via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
To: Tom Brucker via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Tue, May 12, 2020 7:08 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

 
It might be a slipping mode belt.  I wonder what noise it's making exactly,  can you do a video (with audio) and post it somewhere?    If the mode belt is slipping, you will hear the mode motor running all the time trying to put the deck into play mode, but not quite getting it there, so it keeps trying forever.  A dry bushing might make a squeak when changing modes, that's dried up lubrication.   Sometimes it's a combination of things, in which case I would remove the transport and do a general overhaul. 
 
 

 
 On 5/12/2020 4:18 PM, Tom Brucker via Naktalk wrote:
  
 
I have never experienced a noisy belt, but a hard idler tire is very noisy and can be heard in play. A loose cam belt also makes noise because the deck will almost be in play mode but the cam motor runs continuously. 
  On Mon, May 11, 2020, 11:41 AM calman46 via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
  
   
Hello all. I am going to recap my LX-5 . but first I would like to quiet down the transport .(has newer NAK belt) The deck plays fine but is noisy in play mode . There are no strange noises the deck is just running . I did clean the idler tire and that seem to help some but I can hear the transport between songs  . Any suggestions on this deck would be greatly appreciated , thanks 
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed May 13 14:42:51 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Reformed Taper via Naktalk)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 12:42:51 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] OMS5-A question
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB4507CFB19BCA0C8438F739CBBDBF0@DM6PR05MB4507.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

I have an OMS5-A that had been in storage for five years.  It was fully boxed in original box, transport screw in place, etc. and working perfectly when I boxed it up.  I finally moved to a place that allowed me to setup my system.  The OMS will not power on.  Is there a fuse before the power supply that could be the culprit.  Before I look for someone to service this unit, I thought I would ask the list to see if anyone has a schematic and can tell me whether this is a likely cause, and what fuse I might need.

Regards,

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Thu May 14 00:58:22 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (martin ferreira via Naktalk)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 22:58:22 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
In-Reply-To: <1044493811.131664.1589327817477@mail.yahoo.com>
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 <CAAqwSUbKMbPO_G1PoNMvAGpwSwciEB5wNgp+hTth62xQ6Pat0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20e4b89c-03ff-d648-0774-90e8a202c82a@gmail.com>,
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Before replacing the tyre try cleaning with rubber cleaner as it rotates. You should be
Able to reach it with a long swab. This may make it have better grip and check if the rattling gets better.

Martin Ferreira
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Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:56 PM
To: fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com <fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com>; naktalk at lists.naks.com <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

The noise is more of a rattling noise .   Its not as loud in FW or RW but its there. When play is pushed I think I hear the heads engage first (more rattle) then I hear the transport running . I need to replace the tire first I think and checkout the transport parts .I've worked Pioneer decks CTF1250,CTF 1000 etc.. these NKAs are much more delicate


-----Original Message-----
From: Fran Flynn via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
To: Tom Brucker via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Tue, May 12, 2020 7:08 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore


It might be a slipping mode belt.  I wonder what noise it's making exactly,  can you do a video (with audio) and post it somewhere?    If the mode belt is slipping, you will hear the mode motor running all the time trying to put the deck into play mode, but not quite getting it there, so it keeps trying forever.  A dry bushing might make a squeak when changing modes, that's dried up lubrication.   Sometimes it's a combination of things, in which case I would remove the transport and do a general overhaul.


On 5/12/2020 4:18 PM, Tom Brucker via Naktalk wrote:
I have never experienced a noisy belt, but a hard idler tire is very noisy and can be heard in play. A loose cam belt also makes noise because the deck will almost be in play mode but the cam motor runs continuously.

On Mon, May 11, 2020, 11:41 AM calman46 via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com<mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> wrote:

Hello all. I am going to recap my LX-5 . but first I would like to quiet down the transport .(has newer NAK belt) The deck plays fine but is noisy in play mode . There are no strange noises the deck is just running . I did clean the idler tire and that seem to help some but I can hear the transport between songs  . Any suggestions on this deck would be greatly appreciated , thanks

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From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Andrew via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 17:53:51 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
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I suggest to replace the mode belt permanently while servicing the deck as
it may fail in future causing continuous mode motor operation. With the new
good belt, check that it doesn't slip holding the cam pulley (not motor
one) with your finger when engaging Play. Only for the short time to not
overheat anything. If the belt is OK, the motor will not spin in that short
moment while you're holding the cam pulley. This belt is highly loaded,
that's why it's better to check it.

Idler tyre, if it began to make rattling noise, also must be replaced.
Cleaning it will not help for the long time, I had similar problem in my
Dragon. Just replace the tyre with good one and forget about the problem.

On Thu, May 14, 2020, 10:41 martin ferreira via Naktalk <
naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

> Before replacing the tyre try cleaning with rubber cleaner as it rotates.
> You should be
> Able to reach it with a long swab. This may make it have better grip and
> check if the rattling gets better.
>
> *Martin Ferreira*
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of via Naktalk
> <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:56 PM
> *To:* fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com <fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com>;
> naktalk at lists.naks.com <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
>
> The noise is more of a rattling noise .   Its not as loud in FW or RW but
> its there. When play is pushed I think I hear the heads engage first (more
> rattle) then I hear the transport running . I need to replace the tire
> first I think and checkout the transport parts .I've worked Pioneer decks
> CTF1250,CTF 1000 etc.. these NKAs are much more delicate
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fran Flynn via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> To: Tom Brucker via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Sent: Tue, May 12, 2020 7:08 pm
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
>
> It might be a slipping mode belt.  I wonder what noise it's making
> exactly,  can you do a video (with audio) and post it somewhere?    If the
> mode belt is slipping, you will hear the mode motor running all the time
> trying to put the deck into play mode, but not quite getting it there, so
> it keeps trying forever.  A dry bushing might make a squeak when changing
> modes, that's dried up lubrication.   Sometimes it's a combination of
> things, in which case I would remove the transport and do a general
> overhaul.
>
>
> On 5/12/2020 4:18 PM, Tom Brucker via Naktalk wrote:
>
> I have never experienced a noisy belt, but a hard idler tire is very noisy
> and can be heard in play. A loose cam belt also makes noise because the
> deck will almost be in play mode but the cam motor runs continuously.
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020, 11:41 AM calman46 via Naktalk <
> naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>
> Hello all. I am going to recap my LX-5 . but first I would like to quiet
> down the transport .(has newer NAK belt) The deck plays fine but is noisy
> in play mode . There are no strange noises the deck is just running . I did
> clean the idler tire and that seem to help some but I can hear the
> transport between songs  . Any suggestions on this deck would be greatly
> appreciated , thanks
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From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 17:08:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
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 <CAAqwSUbKMbPO_G1PoNMvAGpwSwciEB5wNgp+hTth62xQ6Pat0g@mail.gmail.com>
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 <1044493811.131664.1589327817477@mail.yahoo.com>
 <DB8PR10MB36754DE4A9AD61EEA9984ED5DEBF0@DB8PR10MB3675.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Ok I'm in to this now I just replace the tire . The original tire was very hard . I'm using wjoe's kit, it mentions lubing the cam but nothing else. Should I lube the idler axial ? or is best to leave it dry? I did clean the brass pulley on motor. It doesn't look like you can open the motors to oil the bearing .  Any tips on lubing etc.... thanks 


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew <antech777 at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Cc: calman46 <calman46 at verizon.net>
Sent: Thu, May 14, 2020 10:54 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

I suggest to replace the mode belt permanently while servicing the deck as it may fail in future causing continuous mode motor operation. With the new good belt, check that it doesn't slip holding the cam pulley (not motor one) with your finger when engaging Play. Only for the short time to not overheat anything. If the belt is OK, the motor will not spin in that short moment while you're holding the cam pulley. This belt is highly loaded, that's why it's better to check it.
Idler tyre, if it began to make rattling noise, also must be replaced. Cleaning it will not help for the long time, I had similar problem in my Dragon. Just replace the tyre with good one and forget about the problem.

On Thu, May 14, 2020, 10:41 martin ferreira via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

Before replacing the tyre try cleaning with rubber cleaner as it rotates. You should beAble to reach it with a long swab. This may make it have better grip and check if the rattling gets better.
Martin FerreiraFrom: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:56 PM
To: fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com <fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com>; naktalk at lists.naks.com <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore The noise is more of a rattling noise .   Its not as loud in FW or RW but its there. When play is pushed I think I hear the heads engage first (more rattle) then I hear the transport running . I need to replace the tire first I think and checkout the transport parts .I've worked Pioneer decks CTF1250,CTF 1000 etc.. these NKAs are much more delicate 


-----Original Message-----
From: Fran Flynn via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
To: Tom Brucker via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Tue, May 12, 2020 7:08 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore


It might be a slipping mode belt.  I wonder what noise it's making exactly,  can you do a video (with audio) and post it somewhere?    If the mode belt is slipping, you will hear the mode motor running all the time trying to put the deck into play mode, but not quite getting it there, so it keeps trying forever.  A dry bushing might make a squeak when changing modes, that's dried up lubrication.   Sometimes it's a combination of things, in which case I would remove the transport and do a general overhaul.




On 5/12/2020 4:18 PM, Tom Brucker via Naktalk wrote:


I have never experienced a noisy belt, but a hard idler tire is very noisy and can be heard in play. A loose cam belt also makes noise because the deck will almost be in play mode but the cam motor runs continuously.
On Mon, May 11, 2020, 11:41 AM calman46 via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:


Hello all. I am going to recap my LX-5 . but first I would like to quiet down the transport .(has newer NAK belt) The deck plays fine but is noisy in play mode . There are no strange noises the deck is just running . I did clean the idler tire and that seem to help some but I can hear the transport between songs  . Any suggestions on this deck would be greatly appreciated , thanks
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From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 23:39:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
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References: <041c01d627ac$ce7f8490$6b7e8db0$.ref@verizon.net>
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 <CAAqwSUbKMbPO_G1PoNMvAGpwSwciEB5wNgp+hTth62xQ6Pat0g@mail.gmail.com>
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 <1044493811.131664.1589327817477@mail.yahoo.com>
 <DB8PR10MB36754DE4A9AD61EEA9984ED5DEBF0@DB8PR10MB3675.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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 <1557791017.634193.1590167294917@mail.yahoo.com>
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Success ,the transport is nice and quiet ,everything works . On to the recap.


-----Original Message-----
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To: antech777 <antech777 at gmail.com>; naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Fri, May 22, 2020 1:14 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

Ok I'm in to this now I just replace the tire . The original tire was very hard . I'm using wjoe's kit, it mentions lubing the cam but nothing else. Should I lube the idler axial ? or is best to leave it dry? I did clean the brass pulley on motor. It doesn't look like you can open the motors to oil the bearing .  Any tips on lubing etc.... thanks 


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew <antech777 at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Cc: calman46 <calman46 at verizon.net>
Sent: Thu, May 14, 2020 10:54 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

I suggest to replace the mode belt permanently while servicing the deck as it may fail in future causing continuous mode motor operation. With the new good belt, check that it doesn't slip holding the cam pulley (not motor one) with your finger when engaging Play. Only for the short time to not overheat anything. If the belt is OK, the motor will not spin in that short moment while you're holding the cam pulley. This belt is highly loaded, that's why it's better to check it.
Idler tyre, if it began to make rattling noise, also must be replaced. Cleaning it will not help for the long time, I had similar problem in my Dragon. Just replace the tyre with good one and forget about the problem.

On Thu, May 14, 2020, 10:41 martin ferreira via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

Before replacing the tyre try cleaning with rubber cleaner as it rotates. You should beAble to reach it with a long swab. This may make it have better grip and check if the rattling gets better.
Martin FerreiraFrom: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:56 PM
To: fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com <fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com>; naktalk at lists.naks.com <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore The noise is more of a rattling noise .   Its not as loud in FW or RW but its there. When play is pushed I think I hear the heads engage first (more rattle) then I hear the transport running . I need to replace the tire first I think and checkout the transport parts .I've worked Pioneer decks CTF1250,CTF 1000 etc.. these NKAs are much more delicate 


-----Original Message-----
From: Fran Flynn via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
To: Tom Brucker via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Tue, May 12, 2020 7:08 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore


It might be a slipping mode belt.  I wonder what noise it's making exactly,  can you do a video (with audio) and post it somewhere?    If the mode belt is slipping, you will hear the mode motor running all the time trying to put the deck into play mode, but not quite getting it there, so it keeps trying forever.  A dry bushing might make a squeak when changing modes, that's dried up lubrication.   Sometimes it's a combination of things, in which case I would remove the transport and do a general overhaul.




On 5/12/2020 4:18 PM, Tom Brucker via Naktalk wrote:


I have never experienced a noisy belt, but a hard idler tire is very noisy and can be heard in play. A loose cam belt also makes noise because the deck will almost be in play mode but the cam motor runs continuously.
On Mon, May 11, 2020, 11:41 AM calman46 via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:


Hello all. I am going to recap my LX-5 . but first I would like to quiet down the transport .(has newer NAK belt) The deck plays fine but is noisy in play mode . There are no strange noises the deck is just running . I did clean the idler tire and that seem to help some but I can hear the transport between songs  . Any suggestions on this deck would be greatly appreciated , thanks
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon May 25 01:30:30 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 23:30:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
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anybody have the LX 5 service manual for ser# A12313735 . I have the older manual . I like to follow along with schematic when I recap . Thanks 


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Sent: Sat, May 23, 2020 12:57 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

Success ,the transport is nice and quiet ,everything works . On to the recap.


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To: antech777 <antech777 at gmail.com>; naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Fri, May 22, 2020 1:14 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

Ok I'm in to this now I just replace the tire . The original tire was very hard . I'm using wjoe's kit, it mentions lubing the cam but nothing else. Should I lube the idler axial ? or is best to leave it dry? I did clean the brass pulley on motor. It doesn't look like you can open the motors to oil the bearing .  Any tips on lubing etc.... thanks 


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew <antech777 at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Cc: calman46 <calman46 at verizon.net>
Sent: Thu, May 14, 2020 10:54 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

I suggest to replace the mode belt permanently while servicing the deck as it may fail in future causing continuous mode motor operation. With the new good belt, check that it doesn't slip holding the cam pulley (not motor one) with your finger when engaging Play. Only for the short time to not overheat anything. If the belt is OK, the motor will not spin in that short moment while you're holding the cam pulley. This belt is highly loaded, that's why it's better to check it.
Idler tyre, if it began to make rattling noise, also must be replaced. Cleaning it will not help for the long time, I had similar problem in my Dragon. Just replace the tyre with good one and forget about the problem.

On Thu, May 14, 2020, 10:41 martin ferreira via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

Before replacing the tyre try cleaning with rubber cleaner as it rotates. You should beAble to reach it with a long swab. This may make it have better grip and check if the rattling gets better.
Martin FerreiraFrom: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:56 PM
To: fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com <fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com>; naktalk at lists.naks.com <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore The noise is more of a rattling noise .   Its not as loud in FW or RW but its there. When play is pushed I think I hear the heads engage first (more rattle) then I hear the transport running . I need to replace the tire first I think and checkout the transport parts .I've worked Pioneer decks CTF1250,CTF 1000 etc.. these NKAs are much more delicate 


-----Original Message-----
From: Fran Flynn via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
To: Tom Brucker via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Tue, May 12, 2020 7:08 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore


It might be a slipping mode belt.  I wonder what noise it's making exactly,  can you do a video (with audio) and post it somewhere?    If the mode belt is slipping, you will hear the mode motor running all the time trying to put the deck into play mode, but not quite getting it there, so it keeps trying forever.  A dry bushing might make a squeak when changing modes, that's dried up lubrication.   Sometimes it's a combination of things, in which case I would remove the transport and do a general overhaul.




On 5/12/2020 4:18 PM, Tom Brucker via Naktalk wrote:


I have never experienced a noisy belt, but a hard idler tire is very noisy and can be heard in play. A loose cam belt also makes noise because the deck will almost be in play mode but the cam motor runs continuously.
On Mon, May 11, 2020, 11:41 AM calman46 via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:


Hello all. I am going to recap my LX-5 . but first I would like to quiet down the transport .(has newer NAK belt) The deck plays fine but is noisy in play mode . There are no strange noises the deck is just running . I did clean the idler tire and that seem to help some but I can hear the transport between songs  . Any suggestions on this deck would be greatly appreciated , thanks
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From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 10:29:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
In-Reply-To: <DB8PR10MB36759B1156758B843F0EFA83DEB30@DB8PR10MB3675.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <041c01d627ac$ce7f8490$6b7e8db0$.ref@verizon.net>
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 <CAAqwSUbKMbPO_G1PoNMvAGpwSwciEB5wNgp+hTth62xQ6Pat0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20e4b89c-03ff-d648-0774-90e8a202c82a@gmail.com>
 <1044493811.131664.1589327817477@mail.yahoo.com>
 <DB8PR10MB36754DE4A9AD61EEA9984ED5DEBF0@DB8PR10MB3675.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <CANMVBVxBeASpVx2NMHhZRnYj4KOXfEnhELnY-+YukOyBJ1U0hg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1557791017.634193.1590167294917@mail.yahoo.com>
 <831288105.2469503.1590190778206@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1220674538.2836962.1590363030104@mail.yahoo.com>
 <DB8PR10MB36759B1156758B843F0EFA83DEB30@DB8PR10MB3675.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Nope that's the one I have. The serial numbers are underneath the circuit board pictures  I'm on Dolby board  and there are more caps on my version of the board .


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From: martin ferreira <martinferreira at hotmail.com>
To: calman46 at verizon.net <calman46 at verizon.net>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Mon, May 25, 2020 5:04 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

#yiv6684379113 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}is this what you need. i don't see any reference to SN.

Martin FerreiraFrom: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 11:30 PM
To: naktalk at lists.naks.com <naktalk at lists.naks.com>; antech777 at gmail.com <antech777 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore anybody have the LX 5 service manual for ser# A12313735 . I have the older manual . I like to follow along with schematic when I recap . Thanks 


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Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

Success ,the transport is nice and quiet ,everything works . On to the recap.


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Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

Ok I'm in to this now I just replace the tire . The original tire was very hard . I'm using wjoe's kit, it mentions lubing the cam but nothing else. Should I lube the idler axial ? or is best to leave it dry? I did clean the brass pulley on motor. It doesn't look like you can open the motors to oil the bearing .  Any tips on lubing etc.... thanks 


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Sent: Thu, May 14, 2020 10:54 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

I suggest to replace the mode belt permanently while servicing the deck as it may fail in future causing continuous mode motor operation. With the new good belt, check that it doesn't slip holding the cam pulley (not motor one) with your finger when engaging Play. Only for the short time to not overheat anything. If the belt is OK, the motor will not spin in that short moment while you're holding the cam pulley. This belt is highly loaded, that's why it's better to check it.
Idler tyre, if it began to make rattling noise, also must be replaced. Cleaning it will not help for the long time, I had similar problem in my Dragon. Just replace the tyre with good one and forget about the problem.

On Thu, May 14, 2020, 10:41 martin ferreira via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

Before replacing the tyre try cleaning with rubber cleaner as it rotates. You should beAble to reach it with a long swab. This may make it have better grip and check if the rattling gets better.
Martin FerreiraFrom: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:56 PM
To: fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com <fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com>;naktalk at lists.naks.com <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore The noise is more of a rattling noise .   Its not as loud in FW or RW but its there. When play is pushed I think I hear the heads engage first (more rattle) then I hear the transport running . I need to replace the tire first I think and checkout the transport parts .I've worked Pioneer decks CTF1250,CTF 1000 etc.. these NKAs are much more delicate 


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From: Fran Flynn via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
To: Tom Brucker via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Tue, May 12, 2020 7:08 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore


It might be a slipping mode belt.  I wonder what noise it's making exactly,  can you do a video (with audio) and post it somewhere?    If the mode belt is slipping, you will hear the mode motor running all the time trying to put the deck into play mode, but not quite getting it there, so it keeps trying forever.  A dry bushing might make a squeak when changing modes, that's dried up lubrication.   Sometimes it's a combination of things, in which case I would remove the transport and do a general overhaul.




On 5/12/2020 4:18 PM, Tom Brucker via Naktalk wrote:


I have never experienced a noisy belt, but a hard idler tire is very noisy and can be heard in play. A loose cam belt also makes noise because the deck will almost be in play mode but the cam motor runs continuously.
On Mon, May 11, 2020, 11:41 AM calman46 via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:


Hello all. I am going to recap my LX-5 . but first I would like to quiet down the transport .(has newer NAK belt) The deck plays fine but is noisy in play mode . There are no strange noises the deck is just running . I did clean the idler tire and that seem to help some but I can hear the transport between songs  . Any suggestions on this deck would be greatly appreciated , thanks
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon May 25 12:54:28 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (martin ferreira via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 10:54:28 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
In-Reply-To: <1404361667.2921241.1590402574382@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <041c01d627ac$ce7f8490$6b7e8db0$.ref@verizon.net>
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 <CAAqwSUbKMbPO_G1PoNMvAGpwSwciEB5wNgp+hTth62xQ6Pat0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20e4b89c-03ff-d648-0774-90e8a202c82a@gmail.com>
 <1044493811.131664.1589327817477@mail.yahoo.com>
 <DB8PR10MB36754DE4A9AD61EEA9984ED5DEBF0@DB8PR10MB3675.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <CANMVBVxBeASpVx2NMHhZRnYj4KOXfEnhELnY-+YukOyBJ1U0hg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1557791017.634193.1590167294917@mail.yahoo.com>
 <831288105.2469503.1590190778206@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1220674538.2836962.1590363030104@mail.yahoo.com>
 <DB8PR10MB36759B1156758B843F0EFA83DEB30@DB8PR10MB3675.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
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Oh, ok.


Martin Ferreira
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From: calman46 at verizon.net <calman46 at verizon.net>
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:29 AM
To: martinferreira at hotmail.com <martinferreira at hotmail.com>; naktalk at lists.naks.com <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

Nope that's the one I have. The serial numbers are underneath the circuit board pictures  I'm on Dolby board  and there are more caps on my version of the board .


-----Original Message-----
From: martin ferreira <martinferreira at hotmail.com>
To: calman46 at verizon.net <calman46 at verizon.net>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Mon, May 25, 2020 5:04 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

is this what you need. i don't see any reference to SN.

Martin Ferreira
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From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 11:30 PM
To: naktalk at lists.naks.com <naktalk at lists.naks.com>; antech777 at gmail.com <antech777 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

anybody have the LX 5 service manual for ser# A12313735 . I have the older manual . I like to follow along with schematic when I recap . Thanks


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To: naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>; antech777 <antech777 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, May 23, 2020 12:57 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

Success ,the transport is nice and quiet ,everything works . On to the recap.


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To: antech777 <antech777 at gmail.com>; naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Fri, May 22, 2020 1:14 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

Ok I'm in to this now I just replace the tire . The original tire was very hard . I'm using wjoe's kit, it mentions lubing the cam but nothing else. Should I lube the idler axial ? or is best to leave it dry? I did clean the brass pulley on motor. It doesn't look like you can open the motors to oil the bearing .  Any tips on lubing etc.... thanks


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew <antech777 at gmail.com>
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Cc: calman46 <calman46 at verizon.net>
Sent: Thu, May 14, 2020 10:54 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

I suggest to replace the mode belt permanently while servicing the deck as it may fail in future causing continuous mode motor operation. With the new good belt, check that it doesn't slip holding the cam pulley (not motor one) with your finger when engaging Play. Only for the short time to not overheat anything. If the belt is OK, the motor will not spin in that short moment while you're holding the cam pulley. This belt is highly loaded, that's why it's better to check it.

Idler tyre, if it began to make rattling noise, also must be replaced. Cleaning it will not help for the long time, I had similar problem in my Dragon. Just replace the tyre with good one and forget about the problem.

On Thu, May 14, 2020, 10:41 martin ferreira via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com<mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> wrote:
Before replacing the tyre try cleaning with rubber cleaner as it rotates. You should be
Able to reach it with a long swab. This may make it have better grip and check if the rattling gets better.

Martin Ferreira
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Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

The noise is more of a rattling noise .   Its not as loud in FW or RW but its there. When play is pushed I think I hear the heads engage first (more rattle) then I hear the transport running . I need to replace the tire first I think and checkout the transport parts .I've worked Pioneer decks CTF1250,CTF 1000 etc.. these NKAs are much more delicate


-----Original Message-----
From: Fran Flynn via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com<mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>>
To: Tom Brucker via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com<mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>>
Sent: Tue, May 12, 2020 7:08 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore


It might be a slipping mode belt.  I wonder what noise it's making exactly,  can you do a video (with audio) and post it somewhere?    If the mode belt is slipping, you will hear the mode motor running all the time trying to put the deck into play mode, but not quite getting it there, so it keeps trying forever.  A dry bushing might make a squeak when changing modes, that's dried up lubrication.   Sometimes it's a combination of things, in which case I would remove the transport and do a general overhaul.


On 5/12/2020 4:18 PM, Tom Brucker via Naktalk wrote:
I have never experienced a noisy belt, but a hard idler tire is very noisy and can be heard in play. A loose cam belt also makes noise because the deck will almost be in play mode but the cam motor runs continuously.

On Mon, May 11, 2020, 11:41 AM calman46 via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com<mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> wrote:

Hello all. I am going to recap my LX-5 . but first I would like to quiet down the transport .(has newer NAK belt) The deck plays fine but is noisy in play mode . There are no strange noises the deck is just running . I did clean the idler tire and that seem to help some but I can hear the transport between songs  . Any suggestions on this deck would be greatly appreciated , thanks

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon May 25 13:10:47 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Roland via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 07:10:47 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
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References: <041c01d627ac$ce7f8490$6b7e8db0$.ref@verizon.net>
 <041c01d627ac$ce7f8490$6b7e8db0$@verizon.net>
 <CAAqwSUbKMbPO_G1PoNMvAGpwSwciEB5wNgp+hTth62xQ6Pat0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20e4b89c-03ff-d648-0774-90e8a202c82a@gmail.com>
 <1044493811.131664.1589327817477@mail.yahoo.com>
 <DB8PR10MB36754DE4A9AD61EEA9984ED5DEBF0@DB8PR10MB3675.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <CANMVBVxBeASpVx2NMHhZRnYj4KOXfEnhELnY-+YukOyBJ1U0hg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1557791017.634193.1590167294917@mail.yahoo.com>
 <831288105.2469503.1590190778206@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1220674538.2836962.1590363030104@mail.yahoo.com>
 <DB8PR10MB36759B1156758B843F0EFA83DEB30@DB8PR10MB3675.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Message-ID: <acf0bf2b-8049-c457-7bce-14f992fda0b0@verizon.net>

I was trying to send the copy I have from hifiengine.com    You could 
get an account (free).  I've used them for years.  They do have a  
service manual for the LX5.


On 5/25/2020 6:29 AM, via Naktalk wrote:
> Nope that's the one I have. The serial numbers are underneath the 
> circuit board pictures  I'm on Dolby board  and there are more caps on 
> my version of the board .
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: martin ferreira <martinferreira at hotmail.com>
> To: calman46 at verizon.net <calman46 at verizon.net>; Talk about Nakamichi 
> Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Sent: Mon, May 25, 2020 5:04 am
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
>
> is this what you need. i don't see any reference to SN.
>
> /Martin Ferreira/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of via 
> Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 24, 2020 11:30 PM
> *To:* naktalk at lists.naks.com <naktalk at lists.naks.com>; 
> antech777 at gmail.com <antech777 at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
> anybody have the LX 5 service manual for ser# A12313735 . I have the 
> older manual . I like to follow along with schematic when I recap . 
> Thanks
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> To: naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>; antech777 <antech777 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sat, May 23, 2020 12:57 am
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
>
> Success ,the transport is nice and quiet ,everything works . On to the 
> recap.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> To: antech777 <antech777 at gmail.com>; naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Sent: Fri, May 22, 2020 1:14 pm
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
>
> Ok I'm in to this now I just replace the tire . The original tire was 
> very hard . I'm using wjoe's kit, it mentions lubing the cam but 
> nothing else. Should I lube the idler axial ? or is best to leave it 
> dry? I did clean the brass pulley on motor. It doesn't look like you 
> can open the motors to oil the bearing .  Any tips on lubing etc.... 
> thanks
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew <antech777 at gmail.com>
> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Cc: calman46 <calman46 at verizon.net>
> Sent: Thu, May 14, 2020 10:54 am
> Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
>
> I suggest to replace the mode belt permanently while servicing the 
> deck as it may fail in future causing continuous mode motor operation. 
> With the new good belt, check that it doesn't slip holding the cam 
> pulley (not motor one) with your finger when engaging Play. Only for 
> the short time to not overheat anything. If the belt is OK, the motor 
> will not spin in that short moment while you're holding the cam 
> pulley. This belt is highly loaded, that's why it's better to check it.
>
> Idler tyre, if it began to make rattling noise, also must be replaced. 
> Cleaning it will not help for the long time, I had similar problem in 
> my Dragon. Just replace the tyre with good one and forget about the 
> problem.
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2020, 10:41 martin ferreira via Naktalk 
> <naktalk at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> wrote:
>
>     Before replacing the tyre try cleaning with rubber cleaner as it
>     rotates. You should be
>     Able to reach it with a long swab. This may make it have better
>     grip and check if the rattling gets better.
>
>     /Martin Ferreira/
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com
>     <mailto:naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com>> on behalf of via Naktalk
>     <naktalk at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>>
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>     <fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com <mailto:fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com>>;
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>     *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
>     The noise is more of a rattling noise .   Its not as loud in FW or
>     RW but its there. When play is pushed I think I hear the heads
>     engage first (more rattle) then I hear the transport running . I
>     need to replace the tire first I think and checkout the transport
>     parts .I've worked Pioneer decks CTF1250,CTF 1000 etc.. these NKAs
>     are much more delicate
>
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Fran Flynn via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com
>     <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>>
>     To: Tom Brucker via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com
>     <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>>
>     Sent: Tue, May 12, 2020 7:08 pm
>     Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
>
>     It might be a slipping mode belt.  I wonder what noise it's making
>     exactly,  can you do a video (with audio) and post it somewhere?
>     If the mode belt is slipping, you will hear the mode motor running
>     all the time trying to put the deck into play mode, but not quite
>     getting it there, so it keeps trying forever.  A dry bushing might
>     make a squeak when changing modes, that's dried up lubrication.
>     Sometimes it's a combination of things, in which case I would
>     remove the transport and do a general overhaul.
>
>
>     On 5/12/2020 4:18 PM, Tom Brucker via Naktalk wrote:
>     I have never experienced a noisy belt, but a hard idler tire is
>     very noisy and can be heard in play. A loose cam belt also makes
>     noise because the deck will almost be in play mode but the cam
>     motor runs continuously.
>
>     On Mon, May 11, 2020, 11:41 AM calman46 via Naktalk
>     <naktalk at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> wrote:
>
>         Hello all. I am going to recap my LX-5 . but first I would
>         like to quiet down the transport .(has newer NAK belt) The
>         deck plays fine but is noisy in play mode . There are no
>         strange noises the deck is just running . I did clean the
>         idler tire and that seem to help some but I can hear the
>         transport between songs  . Any suggestions on this deck would
>         be greatly appreciated , thanks
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon May 25 18:54:39 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Robert Schneider via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 11:54:39 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 350 Service Information
Message-ID: <9a41b0e6-896f-0a11-90b3-680f1c0ca332@gmail.com>

Hi.  I have a 350 portable unit, along with the matching /a/d/s 2002 
powered speakers.  The tape deck appears to have a bad left channel, 
which I'd like to repair.  I found the service manual on the wiki 
documents site.  That site also shows 2 service bulletins for the 350, 
NR-17 and NR-19.  However, when I click the download links for those, I 
get an error message:


  Misdirected Request

The client needs a new connection for this request as the requested host 
name does not match the Server Name Indication (SNI) in use for this 
connection.


Is anyone able to fix this, or could someone send me copies of these 
service bulletins?

Thanks!


From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon May 25 23:58:54 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Ken Mashlan via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 21:58:54 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Cabinet
Message-ID: <SYAPR01MB2958432266CD6AE33FEDD9E987B30@SYAPR01MB2958.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all.

I have finally decided to part with my 1000ZXL and have just had it fully serviced by Gennady Lyskin at GennLab here in New Zealand.  Has been a pretty intense process, but has resulted in a deck that is well in spec and everything works as it should.  A big shout out to Gennady!  You can see the rebuild at http://www.gennlab.com/n1000zxl.html

My question is the top of the cabinet has an issue.  It sat in a shelf with a plastic document sheath (had the service manual in it) for probably 20 years.  Upon removal it had kind of bonded with the varnish.  Have a look at the photo attached - you can see where the flap was on the sheath.  I was thinking of sanding it back and re-varnishing the cabinet, but I am not sure how delicate the veneer is.  In other words, what is the risk of killing it?

Thanks
Ken

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Tue May 26 14:06:00 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Eric MONNOT via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 14:06:00 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Cabinet
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I did sand already 2 x 1000zxl and varnish is wide enough to remove these traces without spoiling wood surface.  
You just need a planar tool and do it by hand not with an electrical device....to be more accurate and smooth.
EricM

Envoyé de mon iPhone

> Le 26 mai 2020 à 08:17, Ken Mashlan via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> a écrit :
> 
> 
> Hi all.
>  
> I have finally decided to part with my 1000ZXL and have just had it fully serviced by Gennady Lyskin at GennLab here in New Zealand.  Has been a pretty intense process, but has resulted in a deck that is well in spec and everything works as it should.  A big shout out to Gennady!  You can see the rebuild at http://www.gennlab.com/n1000zxl.html
>  
> My question is the top of the cabinet has an issue.  It sat in a shelf with a plastic document sheath (had the service manual in it) for probably 20 years.  Upon removal it had kind of bonded with the varnish.  Have a look at the photo attached – you can see where the flap was on the sheath.  I was thinking of sanding it back and re-varnishing the cabinet, but I am not sure how delicate the veneer is.  In other words, what is the risk of killing it?
>  
> Thanks
> Ken
>  
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From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (calman46 via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 12:13:55 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
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When recapping I found a partially burned resistor . It’s on the logic &  power supply board. Its R641 (5.6 fail safe RDF-25S J) part # OB09217A . I think it is in play mode (transport) circuit. The resistor still measures 5.6 ohm but I want to replace it . I can’t find the wattage of the resistors listed on the paper work. Can anybody decipher the NAK part numbers for me?  Is a fail-safe resistor the same as fusible or flameproof ?  thanks . I have a ½ watt carbon comp 5.6 ohm

 

From: Naktalk [mailto:naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland via Naktalk
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 7:11 AM
To: via Naktalk
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

 

I was trying to send the copy I have from hifiengine.com    You could get an account (free).  I've used them for years.  They do have a  service manual for the LX5.



On 5/25/2020 6:29 AM, via Naktalk wrote:

Nope that's the one I have. The serial numbers are underneath the circuit board pictures  I'm on Dolby board  and there are more caps on my version of the board .


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To: calman46 at verizon.net  <mailto:calman46 at verizon.net> <calman46 at verizon.net>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks  <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com> <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Mon, May 25, 2020 5:04 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

is this what you need. i don't see any reference to SN.

 

Martin Ferreira 


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From: Naktalk  <mailto:naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of via Naktalk  <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com> <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 11:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore 

 

anybody have the LX 5 service manual for ser# A12313735 . I have the older manual . I like to follow along with schematic when I recap . Thanks 


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To: naktalk  <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com> <naktalk at lists.naks.com>; antech777  <mailto:antech777 at gmail.com> <antech777 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, May 23, 2020 12:57 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

Success ,the transport is nice and quiet ,everything works . On to the recap.


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Sent: Fri, May 22, 2020 1:14 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

Ok I'm in to this now I just replace the tire . The original tire was very hard . I'm using wjoe's kit, it mentions lubing the cam but nothing else. Should I lube the idler axial ? or is best to leave it dry? I did clean the brass pulley on motor. It doesn't look like you can open the motors to oil the bearing .  Any tips on lubing etc.... thanks 


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To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks  <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com> <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Cc: calman46  <mailto:calman46 at verizon.net> <calman46 at verizon.net>
Sent: Thu, May 14, 2020 10:54 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

I suggest to replace the mode belt permanently while servicing the deck as it may fail in future causing continuous mode motor operation. With the new good belt, check that it doesn't slip holding the cam pulley (not motor one) with your finger when engaging Play. Only for the short time to not overheat anything. If the belt is OK, the motor will not spin in that short moment while you're holding the cam pulley. This belt is highly loaded, that's why it's better to check it.

 

Idler tyre, if it began to make rattling noise, also must be replaced. Cleaning it will not help for the long time, I had similar problem in my Dragon. Just replace the tyre with good one and forget about the problem.

On Thu, May 14, 2020, 10:41 martin ferreira via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

Before replacing the tyre try cleaning with rubber cleaner as it rotates. You should be

Able to reach it with a long swab. This may make it have better grip and check if the rattling gets better.

 

Martin Ferreira 


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From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:56 PM
To: fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com <fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com>; naktalk at lists.naks.com <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore 

 

The noise is more of a rattling noise .   Its not as loud in FW or RW but its there. When play is pushed I think I hear the heads engage first (more rattle) then I hear the transport running . I need to replace the tire first I think and checkout the transport parts .I've worked Pioneer decks CTF1250,CTF 1000 etc.. these NKAs are much more delicate 


-----Original Message-----
From: Fran Flynn via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
To: Tom Brucker via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Tue, May 12, 2020 7:08 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

It might be a slipping mode belt.  I wonder what noise it's making exactly,  can you do a video (with audio) and post it somewhere?    If the mode belt is slipping, you will hear the mode motor running all the time trying to put the deck into play mode, but not quite getting it there, so it keeps trying forever.  A dry bushing might make a squeak when changing modes, that's dried up lubrication.   Sometimes it's a combination of things, in which case I would remove the transport and do a general overhaul. 

 

On 5/12/2020 4:18 PM, Tom Brucker via Naktalk wrote:

I have never experienced a noisy belt, but a hard idler tire is very noisy and can be heard in play. A loose cam belt also makes noise because the deck will almost be in play mode but the cam motor runs continuously.

 

On Mon, May 11, 2020, 11:41 AM calman46 via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

Hello all. I am going to recap my LX-5 . but first I would like to quiet down the transport .(has newer NAK belt) The deck plays fine but is noisy in play mode . There are no strange noises the deck is just running . I did clean the idler tire and that seem to help some but I can hear the transport between songs  . Any suggestions on this deck would be greatly appreciated , thanks 

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From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (calman46 via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 14:00:09 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 restore
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I’m thinking the “ 25” part description is for ¼ watt 

 

From: Naktalk [mailto:naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com] On Behalf Of calman46 via Naktalk
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 12:14 PM
To: 'Roland'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

 

When recapping I found a partially burned resistor . It’s on the logic &  power supply board. Its R641 (5.6 fail safe RDF-25S J) part # OB09217A . I think it is in play mode (transport) circuit. The resistor still measures 5.6 ohm but I want to replace it . I can’t find the wattage of the resistors listed on the paper work. Can anybody decipher the NAK part numbers for me?  Is a fail-safe resistor the same as fusible or flameproof ?  thanks . I have a ½ watt carbon comp 5.6 ohm

 

From: Naktalk [mailto:naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland via Naktalk
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 7:11 AM
To: via Naktalk
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

 

I was trying to send the copy I have from hifiengine.com    You could get an account (free).  I've used them for years.  They do have a  service manual for the LX5.

On 5/25/2020 6:29 AM, via Naktalk wrote:

Nope that's the one I have. The serial numbers are underneath the circuit board pictures  I'm on Dolby board  and there are more caps on my version of the board .


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To: calman46 at verizon.net  <mailto:calman46 at verizon.net> <calman46 at verizon.net>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks  <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com> <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Mon, May 25, 2020 5:04 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

is this what you need. i don't see any reference to SN.

 

Martin Ferreira 


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From: Naktalk  <mailto:naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of via Naktalk  <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com> <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 11:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore 

 

anybody have the LX 5 service manual for ser# A12313735 . I have the older manual . I like to follow along with schematic when I recap . Thanks 


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sat, May 23, 2020 12:57 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

Success ,the transport is nice and quiet ,everything works . On to the recap.


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Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

Ok I'm in to this now I just replace the tire . The original tire was very hard . I'm using wjoe's kit, it mentions lubing the cam but nothing else. Should I lube the idler axial ? or is best to leave it dry? I did clean the brass pulley on motor. It doesn't look like you can open the motors to oil the bearing .  Any tips on lubing etc.... thanks 


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Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

I suggest to replace the mode belt permanently while servicing the deck as it may fail in future causing continuous mode motor operation. With the new good belt, check that it doesn't slip holding the cam pulley (not motor one) with your finger when engaging Play. Only for the short time to not overheat anything. If the belt is OK, the motor will not spin in that short moment while you're holding the cam pulley. This belt is highly loaded, that's why it's better to check it.

 

Idler tyre, if it began to make rattling noise, also must be replaced. Cleaning it will not help for the long time, I had similar problem in my Dragon. Just replace the tyre with good one and forget about the problem.

On Thu, May 14, 2020, 10:41 martin ferreira via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

Before replacing the tyre try cleaning with rubber cleaner as it rotates. You should be

Able to reach it with a long swab. This may make it have better grip and check if the rattling gets better.

 

Martin Ferreira 


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Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore 

 

The noise is more of a rattling noise .   Its not as loud in FW or RW but its there. When play is pushed I think I hear the heads engage first (more rattle) then I hear the transport running . I need to replace the tire first I think and checkout the transport parts .I've worked Pioneer decks CTF1250,CTF 1000 etc.. these NKAs are much more delicate 


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To: Tom Brucker via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Tue, May 12, 2020 7:08 pm
Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX 5 restore

It might be a slipping mode belt.  I wonder what noise it's making exactly,  can you do a video (with audio) and post it somewhere?    If the mode belt is slipping, you will hear the mode motor running all the time trying to put the deck into play mode, but not quite getting it there, so it keeps trying forever.  A dry bushing might make a squeak when changing modes, that's dried up lubrication.   Sometimes it's a combination of things, in which case I would remove the transport and do a general overhaul. 

 

On 5/12/2020 4:18 PM, Tom Brucker via Naktalk wrote:

I have never experienced a noisy belt, but a hard idler tire is very noisy and can be heard in play. A loose cam belt also makes noise because the deck will almost be in play mode but the cam motor runs continuously.

 

On Mon, May 11, 2020, 11:41 AM calman46 via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

Hello all. I am going to recap my LX-5 . but first I would like to quiet down the transport .(has newer NAK belt) The deck plays fine but is noisy in play mode . There are no strange noises the deck is just running . I did clean the idler tire and that seem to help some but I can hear the transport between songs  . Any suggestions on this deck would be greatly appreciated , thanks 

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed May 27 00:07:05 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Marc Mickelson via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 18:07:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Cabinet
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Before you try sanding and refinishing, try some lighter fluid with naptha, which removes all kinds of residue and sticky goo. The brand I use here in the US is Ronsonol; it costs about $1 for a medium-sized bottle. Try it on a small area before going over everything. It shouldn't hurt the finish. Naptha removes all kinds of sticky stuff, along with magic marker and other things. It evaporates quickly, so its smell doesn't linger. It might not work, but it also might save you the work of refinishing the cabinet. 



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To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at lists.naks.com> 
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 2:58:54 PM 
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Cabinet 



Hi all. 



I have finally decided to part with my 1000ZXL and have just had it fully serviced by Gennady Lyskin at GennLab here in New Zealand. Has been a pretty intense process, but has resulted in a deck that is well in spec and everything works as it should. A big shout out to Gennady! You can see the rebuild at [ http://www.gennlab.com/n1000zxl.html | 
http://www.gennlab.com/n1000zxl.html ] 



My question is the top of the cabinet has an issue. It sat in a shelf with a plastic document sheath (had the service manual in it) for probably 20 years. Upon removal it had kind of bonded with the varnish. Have a look at the photo attached – you can see where the flap was on the sheath. I was thinking of sanding it back and re-varnishing the cabinet, but I am not sure how delicate the veneer is. In other words, what is the risk of killing it? 



Thanks 

Ken 





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From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2020 20:00:51 +1000
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi dragon 34 orange capacitors
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From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Rodrigo_C=2E_T=2E_de_Mendon=C3=A7a?= via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 11:21:43 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi dragon 34 orange capacitors
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-1000-II-APS-Polypropylene-Capacitors-orange-caps-Ask-for-other-kits-/254611377668?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=hgGRSskS774rEuFjswu1%252BY%252Bg9DU%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc

On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 11:08, via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> Just wondering if anyone had the list/location of the 34 orange caps that
> are recommended to be replaced?
> Regards Ken
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Tue Jun  2 15:13:35 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Ersted Bar via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 15:13:35 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi dragon 34 orange capacitors
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...burgundy polypropylene capacitors UPZ, Toshin, change the tonal color of the sound to 682ZX, 680ZX ... Keep that in mind ...

02.06.2020., u 12:21, korisnik Rodrigo C. T. de Mendonça via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> je napisao:

> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-1000-II-APS-Polypropylene-Capacitors-orange-caps-Ask-for-other-kits-/254611377668?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=hgGRSskS774rEuFjswu1%252BY%252Bg9DU%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc
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>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 11:08, via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> Just wondering if anyone had the list/location of the 34 orange caps that are recommended to be replaced?
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Tue Jun  2 17:46:13 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 15:46:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi dragon 34 orange capacitors
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I used a mix of Wima PP, TDK and Kemet PET on my LX-5 all good reliable caps that don't break the bank. That's too much $$$ for that kit  . I wouldn't hear the difference anyway .


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Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 11:21 am
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi dragon 34 orange capacitors

...burgundy polypropylene capacitors UPZ, Toshin, change the tonal color of the sound to 682ZX, 680ZX ... Keep that in mind ...
02.06.2020., u 12:21, korisnik Rodrigo C. T. de Mendonça via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> je napisao:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-1000-II-APS-Polypropylene-Capacitors-orange-caps-Ask-for-other-kits-/254611377668?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=hgGRSskS774rEuFjswu1%252BY%252Bg9DU%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Tue Jun  2 18:32:20 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Gerhard Wartha via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 18:32:20 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi dragon 34 orange capacitors
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That is not correct. I was in Japan. The Toshin UPZ  are used  to replace the Nissei capacitors 
made until 2009 only. They do sound and work exactly like they older Serie in orange.
They are important to the bias oscillator 

It is not a good Idea to compare  to old caps  from 1980, used caps inside your decks.

I did compare them to new made in 2009 by Nissei caps.

Because some years  they did sell them next to Nissei inside the same boxes at many electronic shops.

So I can use  use  decks with Toshin and decks with Nissei made in 2009. 
They sound sound the same. Listened with 8 big speakers driven by SANSUI  tube amps.
The Audio repair Centers inside Japan do use Toshin UPZ  since 2009.

You can google :

SANSUI AU 111 Wartha 


> Am 02.06.2020 um 15:13 schrieb Ersted Bar via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>:
> 
> ...burgundy polypropylene capacitors UPZ, Toshin, change the tonal color of the sound to 682ZX, 680ZX ... Keep that in mind ...
> 
> 02.06.2020., u 12:21, korisnik Rodrigo C. T. de Mendonça via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> je napisao:
> 
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-1000-II-APS-Polypropylene-Capacitors-orange-caps-Ask-for-other-kits-/254611377668?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=hgGRSskS774rEuFjswu1%252BY%252Bg9DU%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc <https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nakamichi-1000-II-APS-Polypropylene-Capacitors-orange-caps-Ask-for-other-kits-/254611377668?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=hgGRSskS774rEuFjswu1%252BY%252Bg9DU%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc>
>> 
>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 11:08, via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com <mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> Just wondering if anyone had the list/location of the 34 orange caps that are recommended to be replaced?
>> Regards Ken 
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Thu Jun 11 06:45:47 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Ken Mashlan via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 04:45:47 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL motor noise.
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Hi all.

I have a problem which has appeared on my 1000ZXL and I am looking for ideas.  It has a motor buzz on source only.  E.g. with the monitor switch on tape, it is quiet.  On source, I can hear the buzz of the capstan motor (and the meters light up).  If I push play, I get a small symphony of buzzing as the cam motor runs, then the reel motor also runs so the buzzing pretty much triples, then when the cam motor stops it settles to double the original noise.

Again, this is when listening to the source.  If I record, it records the buzzing.  Put it a blank tape and push play, or in fact not tape at all, (with the monitor on tape) and it is quiet.

This tells me (my primitive brain) that the playback amp is fine (not there on play), and the motors are probably ok (not there on play, and all three are audible) and that somehow the motor noise is being injected into the source signal path pre the tape heads and meters.

It is equal on both channels.

I am thinking ground issue?  Maybe some sort of filtering component is gone?

Looking for suggestions to give a tech who may not be 100% across these decks.

Cheers.
Ken
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Thu Jun 11 15:46:13 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Kevin Fetner via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 13:46:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL motor noise
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I had what sounds like essentially the same problem and sent the 700ZXL back to Willy Hermann. He spent a lot of time tracing down this noise, replacing a motor and a lot of caps. Here is a direct quote on what he found:"Yes.  It wasn't a mechanical noise - it was an oscillation around 5kHz which was in everything - both play and record.  I finally traced it to a bad capacitor on the counter board of all things!"
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sat Jun 13 06:33:07 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Christian Johnson via Naktalk)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 04:33:07 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 550
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My 550 needs to be repaired because the left channel is recording at a lower DB. I'm looking for a tech in the LA area. I was wanting to send a message to the list in hopes of finding one.

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sat Jun 13 20:06:54 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Cheryl Kaupp via Naktalk)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 08:06:54 -1000
Subject: [naktalk] 550
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You will probably have to wait in line for a while but you can't do any
better than: https://www.willyhermannservices.com/

Cheryl

 

 

From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> On Behalf Of Christian
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Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 6:33 PM
To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] 550

 



 

My 550 needs to be repaired because the left channel is recording at a lower
DB. I'm looking for a tech in the LA area. I was wanting to send a message
to the list in hopes of finding one.

 

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sat Jun 13 20:30:05 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Christian Johnson via Naktalk)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 18:30:05 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 550
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References: <DM6PR05MB54661C981D64E5117A489661939E0@DM6PR05MB5466.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>,
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He will not repair the 550 I already asked because he said its 45 years old.

Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36>

________________________________
From: Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 11:06:54 AM
To: 'Christian Johnson' <crj613 at outlook.com>; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] 550


You will probably have to wait in line for a while but you can’t do any better than: https://www.willyhermannservices.com/<https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.willyhermannservices.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5a6d4dc5bcd64bf883c408d80fc49538%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637276684286490895&sdata=P8Q%2Fu1H6eIGpXvYPc8zI5dGksNXrbNFQgtKq9j57UPE%3D&reserved=0>

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From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> On Behalf Of Christian Johnson via Naktalk
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 6:33 PM
To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] 550



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My 550 needs to be repaired because the left channel is recording at a lower DB. I'm looking for a tech in the LA area. I was wanting to send a message to the list in hopes of finding one.



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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sat Jun 13 21:36:42 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Ron & Marion Heuer via Naktalk)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 15:36:42 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 550
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR05MB5466A4A31B49ADA5FF7FFB75939E0@DM6PR05MB5466.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR05MB5466A4A31B49ADA5FF7FFB75939E0@DM6PR05MB5466.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <96497DB4-823A-4E78-9E80-BED1DF3E2E49@aol.com>

Hi, You can try this guy. Ron 

https://eslabs.com/index.htm

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Christian Johnson via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> He will not repair the 550 I already asked because he said its 45 years old.
> 
> Get Outlook for Android
> 
> From: Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 11:06:54 AM
> To: 'Christian Johnson' <crj613 at outlook.com>; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] 550
>  
> You will probably have to wait in line for a while but you can’t do any better than: https://www.willyhermannservices.com/
> Cheryl
>  
>  
> From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> On Behalf Of Christian Johnson via Naktalk
> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 6:33 PM
> To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] 550
>  
> <image001.jpg>
>  
> My 550 needs to be repaired because the left channel is recording at a lower DB. I'm looking for a tech in the LA area. I was wanting to send a message to the list in hopes of finding one.
>  
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Jun 14 00:44:51 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Francis Flynn via Naktalk)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 17:44:51 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 550
In-Reply-To: <96497DB4-823A-4E78-9E80-BED1DF3E2E49@aol.com>
References: <96497DB4-823A-4E78-9E80-BED1DF3E2E49@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CE7DF12F-596F-428A-989A-B7520E7769A3@gmail.com>

Try cleaning the heads really well before you do anything.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:56 PM, Ron & Marion Heuer via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, You can try this guy. Ron 
> 
> https://eslabs.com/index.htm
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Christian Johnson via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> He will not repair the 550 I already asked because he said its 45 years old.
>> 
>> Get Outlook for Android
>> 
>> From: Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 11:06:54 AM
>> To: 'Christian Johnson' <crj613 at outlook.com>; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] 550
>>  
>> You will probably have to wait in line for a while but you can’t do any better than: https://www.willyhermannservices.com/
>> Cheryl
>>  
>>  
>> From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> On Behalf Of Christian Johnson via Naktalk
>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 6:33 PM
>> To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
>> Subject: [naktalk] 550
>>  
>> <image001.jpg>
>>  
>> My 550 needs to be repaired because the left channel is recording at a lower DB. I'm looking for a tech in the LA area. I was wanting to send a message to the list in hopes of finding one.
>>  
>> Get Outlook for Android
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Jun 14 02:08:21 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Christian Johnson via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 00:08:21 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 550
In-Reply-To: <CE7DF12F-596F-428A-989A-B7520E7769A3@gmail.com>
References: <96497DB4-823A-4E78-9E80-BED1DF3E2E49@aol.com>,
 <CE7DF12F-596F-428A-989A-B7520E7769A3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB546602BB611B42300B13927C939F0@DM6PR05MB5466.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

That was the first thing I did. I still have the original cleaning kit it came with. No luck on cleaning being one of the factors. This unit is an amazingly preserved unit. The right channel sounds full life life, I just need the left channel to stop recording and playing with 11
 less db.

Thanks
Chris
________________________________
From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of Francis Flynn via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 5:44 PM
To: Ron & Marion Heuer <jaxjoradam at aol.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550

Try cleaning the heads really well before you do anything.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:56 PM, Ron & Marion Heuer via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

Hi, You can try this guy. Ron

https://eslabs.com/index.htm

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Christian Johnson via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:


He will not repair the 550 I already asked because he said its 45 years old.

Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36>

________________________________
From: Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 11:06:54 AM
To: 'Christian Johnson' <crj613 at outlook.com>; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: RE: [naktalk] 550


You will probably have to wait in line for a while but you can’t do any better than: https://www.willyhermannservices.com/<https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.willyhermannservices.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5a6d4dc5bcd64bf883c408d80fc49538%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637276684286490895&sdata=P8Q%2Fu1H6eIGpXvYPc8zI5dGksNXrbNFQgtKq9j57UPE%3D&reserved=0>

Cheryl





From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> On Behalf Of Christian Johnson via Naktalk
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 6:33 PM
To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] 550



<image001.jpg>



My 550 needs to be repaired because the left channel is recording at a lower DB. I'm looking for a tech in the LA area. I was wanting to send a message to the list in hopes of finding one.



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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Jun 14 13:21:35 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Richard L. Hess via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 07:21:35 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] 550
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR05MB546602BB611B42300B13927C939F0@DM6PR05MB5466.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <96497DB4-823A-4E78-9E80-BED1DF3E2E49@aol.com>
 <CE7DF12F-596F-428A-989A-B7520E7769A3@gmail.com>
 <DM6PR05MB546602BB611B42300B13927C939F0@DM6PR05MB5466.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1ce8ba25-0638-730e-e46b-1acca25b74ed@richardhess.com>

Hi, Chris,

If you are using the original cleaning kit, are  you sure it's 
effective? Even against perhaps some sticky shed tape residue on the 
head or guides (lifting the tape away from the head)?

I had one from about 1976 to 1986 when I replaced it with a Sony TCD-5M 
which I still have and was much more portable and was fine for my use. I 
replaced that for portable use with a Sound Devices 722 and traded that 
for a Zoom F8.

It is important to identify whether it is a playback or record issue and 
whether the 11 dB low left channel sounds as good (but noisier) as the 
right channel. That will cut down by more than half where to look. I 
realize that it's a two-head machine and that makes this a bit more 
difficult and complex as head switching might be a factor as well, but 
you can fairly quickly tell the difference by checking a calibration 
tape or tapes which play well on another machine.

Then, conversely, record a tape and see if it's the same amount low on 
another machine.

If the highs sound muffled compared to the lows on the left channel, 
that could be an indication that it is still dirt on the heads, 
especially if the loss is split between record and play. Guide buildup 
and defective pressure pads in the cassette can both contribute to loss.

I'm not ruling out other things, just grabbing at low-hanging fruit.

I recall an early DAT machine that failed after using some TDK tape and 
the only thing I had to do was open it up and carefully wet clean it. 
Thankfully, that wasn't my D8 DAT walkman (left that out of the above 
list, frankly because I forgot about it until this point.

Anyway, you may know all this, but I thought I'd stress how important 
cleaning is, but still be careful with the 550 (and with a DAT machine). 
Sometimes that's still best left to a professional once in a while.

Good luck!

Cheers,

Richard


On 2020-06-13 8:08 p.m., Christian Johnson via Naktalk wrote:
> That was the first thing I did. I still have the original cleaning kit 
> it came with. No luck on cleaning being one of the factors. This unit 
> is an amazingly preserved unit. The right channel sounds full life 
> life, I just need the left channel to stop recording and playing with 11
>  less db.
>
> Thanks
> Chris
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of Francis 
> Flynn via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2020 5:44 PM
> *To:* Ron & Marion Heuer <jaxjoradam at aol.com>; Talk about Nakamichi 
> Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] 550
> Try cleaning the heads really well before you do anything.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:56 PM, Ron & Marion Heuer via Naktalk 
>> <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, You can try this guy. Ron
>>
>> https://eslabs.com/index.htm
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Christian Johnson via Naktalk 
>>> <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> He will not repair the 550 I already asked because he said its 45 
>>> years old.
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2020 11:06:54 AM
>>> *To:* 'Christian Johnson' <crj613 at outlook.com>; 'Talk about 
>>> Nakamichi Cassette Decks' <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
>>> *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] 550
>>>
>>> You will probably have to wait in line for a while but you can’t do 
>>> any better than: https://www.willyhermannservices.com/ 
>>> <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.willyhermannservices.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5a6d4dc5bcd64bf883c408d80fc49538%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637276684286490895&sdata=P8Q%2Fu1H6eIGpXvYPc8zI5dGksNXrbNFQgtKq9j57UPE%3D&reserved=0>
>>>
>>> Cheryl
>>>
>>> *From:* Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> *On Behalf Of 
>>> *Christian Johnson via Naktalk
>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2020 6:33 PM
>>> *To:* naktalk at lists.naks.com
>>> *Subject:* [naktalk] 550
>>>
>>> <image001.jpg>
>>>
>>> My 550 needs to be repaired because the left channel is recording at 
>>> a lower DB. I'm looking for a tech in the LA area. I was wanting to 
>>> send a message to the list in hopes of finding one.
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for Android 
>>> <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fghei36&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5a6d4dc5bcd64bf883c408d80fc49538%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637276684286500898&sdata=7hNiLjG6oFoeHLDZvqEP2OuCbM2miISAnMwGMawUem0%3D&reserved=0>
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-- 
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Jun 14 16:49:17 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (thomas laurence via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 09:49:17 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] 550
In-Reply-To: <CE7DF12F-596F-428A-989A-B7520E7769A3@gmail.com>
References: <96497DB4-823A-4E78-9E80-BED1DF3E2E49@aol.com>
 <CE7DF12F-596F-428A-989A-B7520E7769A3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC+9SMzdfiqHWXHSB3pPutzdj1zaFOZW6J8aspOfePftZ536SA@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.willyhermannservices.com
Willy did an amazing refurbishing of my 550 a few years back.
He's also done a fabulous job on two of my other decks.
Years and years of wisdom, experience and skill.
Best,
Tom

On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 5:44 PM Francis Flynn via Naktalk <
naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

> Try cleaning the heads really well before you do anything.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:56 PM, Ron & Marion Heuer via Naktalk <
> naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, You can try this guy. Ron
>
> https://eslabs.com/index.htm
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Christian Johnson via Naktalk <
> naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>
> 
> He will not repair the 550 I already asked because he said its 45 years
> old.
>
> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Cheryl Kaupp <kaupp240 at hotmail.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2020 11:06:54 AM
> *To:* 'Christian Johnson' <crj613 at outlook.com>; 'Talk about Nakamichi
> Cassette Decks' <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] 550
>
>
> You will probably have to wait in line for a while but you can’t do any
> better than: https://www.willyhermannservices.com/
> <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.willyhermannservices.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5a6d4dc5bcd64bf883c408d80fc49538%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637276684286490895&sdata=P8Q%2Fu1H6eIGpXvYPc8zI5dGksNXrbNFQgtKq9j57UPE%3D&reserved=0>
>
> Cheryl
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> *On Behalf Of *Christian
> Johnson via Naktalk
> *Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2020 6:33 PM
> *To:* naktalk at lists.naks.com
> *Subject:* [naktalk] 550
>
>
>
> <image001.jpg>
>
>
>
> My 550 needs to be repaired because the left channel is recording at a
> lower DB. I'm looking for a tech in the LA area. I was wanting to send a
> message to the list in hopes of finding one.
>
>
>
> Get Outlook for Android
> <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fghei36&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5a6d4dc5bcd64bf883c408d80fc49538%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637276684286500898&sdata=7hNiLjG6oFoeHLDZvqEP2OuCbM2miISAnMwGMawUem0%3D&reserved=0>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Jun 14 16:59:44 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (rams99 via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 14:59:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Digest, Vol 206, Issue 5
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I know it's not LA, but they do excellent work, may be a wait here also. They rebuilt my CR3  and no complaints here.







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   1. Re: 550 (Cheryl Kaupp via Naktalk)
   2. Re: 550 (Christian Johnson via Naktalk)
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   4. Re: 550 (Francis Flynn via Naktalk)
   5. Re: 550 (Christian Johnson via Naktalk)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 08:06:54 -1000
From: Cheryl Kaupp via Naktalk 
To: "'Christian Johnson'" , "'Talk about Nakamichi
	Cassette Decks'" 
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550
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You will probably have to wait in line for a while but you can't do any
better than: https://www.willyhermannservices.com/

Cheryl

 

 

From: Naktalk  On Behalf Of Christian
Johnson via Naktalk
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 6:33 PM
To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] 550

 



 

My 550 needs to be repaired because the left channel is recording at a lower
DB. I'm looking for a tech in the LA area. I was wanting to send a message
to the list in hopes of finding one.

 

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Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 18:30:05 +0000
From: Christian Johnson via Naktalk 
To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' ,
	Cheryl Kaupp 
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550
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He will not repair the 550 I already asked because he said its 45 years old.

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From: Cheryl Kaupp 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 11:06:54 AM
To: 'Christian Johnson' ; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' 
Subject: RE: [naktalk] 550


You will probably have to wait in line for a while but you can’t do any better than: https://www.willyhermannservices.com/

Cheryl





From: Naktalk  On Behalf Of Christian Johnson via Naktalk
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 6:33 PM
To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] 550



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My 550 needs to be repaired because the left channel is recording at a lower DB. I'm looking for a tech in the LA area. I was wanting to send a message to the list in hopes of finding one.



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Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 15:36:42 -0400
From: Ron & Marion Heuer via Naktalk 
To: Christian Johnson , Talk about Nakamichi
	Cassette Decks 
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550
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Hi, You can try this guy. Ron 

https://eslabs.com/index.htm

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> On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Christian Johnson via Naktalk  wrote:
> 
> 
> He will not repair the 550 I already asked because he said its 45 years old.
> 
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> From: Cheryl Kaupp 
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 11:06:54 AM
> To: 'Christian Johnson' ; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' 
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] 550
>  
> You will probably have to wait in line for a while but you can’t do any better than: https://www.willyhermannservices.com/
> Cheryl
>  
>  
> From: Naktalk  On Behalf Of Christian Johnson via Naktalk
> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 6:33 PM
> To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] 550
>  
> 
>  
> My 550 needs to be repaired because the left channel is recording at a lower DB. I'm looking for a tech in the LA area. I was wanting to send a message to the list in hopes of finding one.
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Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 17:44:51 -0500
From: Francis Flynn via Naktalk 
To: Ron & Marion Heuer , Talk about Nakamichi
	Cassette Decks 
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550
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Try cleaning the heads really well before you do anything.  

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> On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:56 PM, Ron & Marion Heuer via Naktalk  wrote:
> 
> Hi, You can try this guy. Ron 
> 
> https://eslabs.com/index.htm
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Christian Johnson via Naktalk  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> He will not repair the 550 I already asked because he said its 45 years old.
>> 
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>> From: Cheryl Kaupp 
>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 11:06:54 AM
>> To: 'Christian Johnson' ; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' 
>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] 550
>>  
>> You will probably have to wait in line for a while but you can’t do any better than: https://www.willyhermannservices.com/
>> Cheryl
>>  
>>  
>> From: Naktalk  On Behalf Of Christian Johnson via Naktalk
>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 6:33 PM
>> To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
>> Subject: [naktalk] 550
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>> My 550 needs to be repaired because the left channel is recording at a lower DB. I'm looking for a tech in the LA area. I was wanting to send a message to the list in hopes of finding one.
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 00:08:21 +0000
From: Christian Johnson via Naktalk 
To: Francis Flynn , Talk about Nakamichi
	Cassette Decks 
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550
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That was the first thing I did. I still have the original cleaning kit it came with. No luck on cleaning being one of the factors. This unit is an amazingly preserved unit. The right channel sounds full life life, I just need the left channel to stop recording and playing with 11
 less db.

Thanks
Chris
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From: Naktalk  on behalf of Francis Flynn via Naktalk 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 5:44 PM
To: Ron & Marion Heuer ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks 
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550

Try cleaning the heads really well before you do anything.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:56 PM, Ron & Marion Heuer via Naktalk  wrote:

Hi, You can try this guy. Ron

https://eslabs.com/index.htm

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Christian Johnson via Naktalk  wrote:


He will not repair the 550 I already asked because he said its 45 years old.

Get Outlook for Android

________________________________
From: Cheryl Kaupp 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 11:06:54 AM
To: 'Christian Johnson' ; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' 
Subject: RE: [naktalk] 550


You will probably have to wait in line for a while but you can’t do any better than: https://www.willyhermannservices.com/

Cheryl





From: Naktalk  On Behalf Of Christian Johnson via Naktalk
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 6:33 PM
To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] 550







My 550 needs to be repaired because the left channel is recording at a lower DB. I'm looking for a tech in the LA area. I was wanting to send a message to the list in hopes of finding one.



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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Jun 14 19:13:14 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Christian Johnson via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 17:13:14 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 550
In-Reply-To: <CAC+9SMzdfiqHWXHSB3pPutzdj1zaFOZW6J8aspOfePftZ536SA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <96497DB4-823A-4E78-9E80-BED1DF3E2E49@aol.com>
 <CE7DF12F-596F-428A-989A-B7520E7769A3@gmail.com>,
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So it seems like it's the recording not the playback. I have a few other decks and I tested it out. I'm really hoping the demagnetization wand helps. Also I know that the cleaning kit is dated and I did find newer cleaning materials to clean the head. Again if anyone knows someone who fixes these in LA is be a happy camper.

Chris

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Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:49 AM
To: Francis Flynn <fflynn.flynn36 at gmail.com>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550

https://www.willyhermannservices.com
Willy did an amazing refurbishing of my 550 a few years back.
He's also done a fabulous job on two of my other decks.
Years and years of wisdom, experience and skill.
Best,
Tom

On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 5:44 PM Francis Flynn via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com<mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> wrote:
Try cleaning the heads really well before you do anything.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:56 PM, Ron & Marion Heuer via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com<mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> wrote:

Hi, You can try this guy. Ron

https://eslabs.com/index.htm

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Christian Johnson via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com<mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> wrote:


He will not repair the 550 I already asked because he said its 45 years old.

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Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 11:06:54 AM
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Subject: RE: [naktalk] 550


You will probably have to wait in line for a while but you can’t do any better than: https://www.willyhermannservices.com/<https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.willyhermannservices.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5a6d4dc5bcd64bf883c408d80fc49538%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637276684286490895&sdata=P8Q%2Fu1H6eIGpXvYPc8zI5dGksNXrbNFQgtKq9j57UPE%3D&reserved=0>

Cheryl





From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com<mailto:naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com>> On Behalf Of Christian Johnson via Naktalk
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 6:33 PM
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Subject: [naktalk] 550



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My 550 needs to be repaired because the left channel is recording at a lower DB. I'm looking for a tech in the LA area. I was wanting to send a message to the list in hopes of finding one.



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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Jun 14 20:23:14 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Christian Johnson via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 18:23:14 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Digest, Vol 206, Issue 5
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I have reached out to them last week and, I haven't gotten a response from them. I believe they don't work on anything that takes batteries. And unfortunately the 550 can work on batteries.

Thanks

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Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:59 AM
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I know it's not LA, but they do excellent work, may be a wait here also. They rebuilt my CR3  and no complaints here.[Image]



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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 08:06:54 -1000
From: Cheryl Kaupp via Naktalk
To: "'Christian Johnson'" , "'Talk about Nakamichi
        Cassette Decks'"
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550
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You will probably have to wait in line for a while but you can't do any
better than: https://www.willyhermannservices.com/

Cheryl





From: Naktalk  On Behalf Of Christian
Johnson via Naktalk
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 6:33 PM
To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] 550







My 550 needs to be repaired because the left channel is recording at a lower
DB. I'm looking for a tech in the LA area. I was wanting to send a message
to the list in hopes of finding one.



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To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' ,
        Cheryl Kaupp
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550
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He will not repair the 550 I already asked because he said its 45 years old.

Get Outlook for Android

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From: Cheryl Kaupp
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 11:06:54 AM
To: 'Christian Johnson' ; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: [naktalk] 550


You will probably have to wait in line for a while but you can’t do any better than: https://www.willyhermannservices.com/

Cheryl





From: Naktalk  On Behalf Of Christian Johnson via Naktalk
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 6:33 PM
To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] 550



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Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 15:36:42 -0400
From: Ron & Marion Heuer via Naktalk
To: Christian Johnson , Talk about Nakamichi
        Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550
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Hi, You can try this guy. Ron

https://eslabs.com/index.htm

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Christian Johnson via Naktalk  wrote:
>
> 
> He will not repair the 550 I already asked because he said its 45 years old.
>
> Get Outlook for Android
>
> From: Cheryl Kaupp
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 11:06:54 AM
> To: 'Christian Johnson' ; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
> Subject: RE: [naktalk] 550
>
> You will probably have to wait in line for a while but you can’t do any better than: https://www.willyhermannservices.com/
> Cheryl
>
>
> From: Naktalk  On Behalf Of Christian Johnson via Naktalk
> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 6:33 PM
> To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
> Subject: [naktalk] 550
>
>
>
> My 550 needs to be repaired because the left channel is recording at a lower DB. I'm looking for a tech in the LA area. I was wanting to send a message to the list in hopes of finding one.
>
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Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 17:44:51 -0500
From: Francis Flynn via Naktalk
To: Ron & Marion Heuer , Talk about Nakamichi
        Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550
Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Try cleaning the heads really well before you do anything.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:56 PM, Ron & Marion Heuer via Naktalk  wrote:
>
> Hi, You can try this guy. Ron
>
> https://eslabs.com/index.htm
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>> On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Christian Johnson via Naktalk  wrote:
>>>
>> 
>> He will not repair the 550 I already asked because he said its 45 years old.
>>
>> Get Outlook for Android
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>> From: Cheryl Kaupp
>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 11:06:54 AM
>> To: 'Christian Johnson' ; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
>> Subject: RE: [naktalk] 550
>>
>> You will probably have to wait in line for a while but you can’t do any better than: https://www.willyhermannservices.com/
>> Cheryl
>>
>>
>> From: Naktalk  On Behalf Of Christian Johnson via Naktalk
>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 6:33 PM
>> To: naktalk at lists.naks.com
>> Subject: [naktalk] 550
>>
>>
>>
>> My 550 needs to be repaired because the left channel is recording at a lower DB. I'm looking for a tech in the LA area. I was wanting to send a message to the list in hopes of finding one.
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That was the first thing I did. I still have the original cleaning kit it came with. No luck on cleaning being one of the factors. This unit is an amazingly preserved unit. The right channel sounds full life life, I just need the left channel to stop recording and playing with 11
 less db.

Thanks
Chris
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Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550

Try cleaning the heads really well before you do anything.

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On Jun 13, 2020, at 2:56 PM, Ron & Marion Heuer via Naktalk  wrote:

Hi, You can try this guy. Ron

https://eslabs.com/index.htm

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He will not repair the 550 I already asked because he said its 45 years old.

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To: 'Christian Johnson' ; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'
Subject: RE: [naktalk] 550


You will probably have to wait in line for a while but you can’t do any better than: https://www.willyhermannservices.com/

Cheryl





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My 550 needs to be repaired because the left channel is recording at a lower DB. I'm looking for a tech in the LA area. I was wanting to send a message to the list in hopes of finding one.



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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Jul 31 23:26:13 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 21:26:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] Classic Nakamichi Capstan Belt ( CA08096?) - for
 670/680/582/ZX 7 etc
In-Reply-To: <1385077396.2708199.1591883173087@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1385077396.2708199.1591883173087.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1385077396.2708199.1591883173087@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <665754099.8553089.1596230773134@mail.yahoo.com>

 

   Does any one has purchased this belt ( which is correct in dimension and meeting Nak Wow and Flutter) from any know source other than Fred (Maars Electronics) as i had to lodge Paypal claim to get my goods from Maars about 4 years back. I do not want to try contacting Krista or Fred as the reputation is not very great. I need belts for my 1000ZXL
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Aug  2 13:55:08 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (perry via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2020 07:55:08 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Classic capstan belt
Message-ID: <b406a8e9-329e-46b4-beac-2abca137993b@Perrys-iphone>


A number of us have been testing and using a new series of belts from PRB (Russell Industries) designed directly for SOME Nakamichi decks and others that require a thin cross section. The series is called FRSP. They have 3 belts available, FRSP9.6, FRSP9.2 and FRSP6.5. The 9.6 is correct for the classic series decks. They have a wall cross section of .016” or .018”, width of .2”, and IC of stated dimension all inches. I have personally installed the 9.6 on 6 decks so far (660zx, RX-505, 680zx, & LX-5) and all have resulted in W&F that equals or approaches my test belts I use to determine what the lowest W&F can be expected from that deck. Typically .04% to .06%. Currently I believe they are out of stock and are scheduled to do a run this month (Aug 2020). A number of us from Tapeheads.net have orders in for them. The best part is they are (or have been) reasonably priced at under $5 a belt. They are also my source for both idler tires (classic & Sankyo) with the correct dimensions and composition.
Perry
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Aug  2 18:48:13 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Willy Hermann via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2020 09:48:13 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Classic capstan belt
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As long as you're testing, try the belt from Dynamic Technology Group.
I've had better results.  I was buying the Russell belt, then grinding it
to get it to really meet spec.  At least for the first few I've tried, the
belt from these guys does better -- and it's in the same price range.
Contact:
sales at dynamtechgroup.com
BTW - I have no horse in this race -- just for information purposes.
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed Aug  5 05:03:30 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Rob Smith via Naktalk)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 04:03:30 +0100
Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 - Calibration Level Not Working
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This is my first post. 
I’ve recently obtained a CR-4E, which is in really fantastic cosmetic condition; no usage wear on the buttons, no scratches on the facia, no perceptible head wear, pinch rollers in nice condition etc. More importantly, it plays beautifully and records, however, the tape calibration level control doesn’t work correctly. There is no level reading on the lower bar at all, but oddly, when rotating the control, it does have an effect on the bias level, albeit it’s quite minimal. 
I’ve also noticed that the calibration test tone is only recorded to the right channel; no idea if this is normal or not, as it’s not mentioned in the manual. 
So, wise Nakamichians, any ideas on what could be wrong and if so, hopefully, to offer a fix if, indeed, it can be fixed. All help / ideas most welcome. Many thanks in advance.

From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed Aug  5 12:10:19 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (P Reed via Naktalk)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 10:10:19 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] 1. CR-4 - Calibration Level Not Working (Rob Smith via
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Hi Rob,

Sorry I can’t help and I don’t wish to hijack your thread, but am most interested in this subject as I have the same machine and the exact same issue. Someone on TH advised to change the back tension belt, which had no effect. My machine developed the fault after I changed the reel motor, so I may have disturbed something.

Regards,

Phil
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This is my first post.
I’ve recently obtained a CR-4E, which is in really fantastic cosmetic condition; no usage wear on the buttons, no scratches on the facia, no perceptible head wear, pinch rollers in nice condition etc. More importantly, it plays beautifully and records, however, the tape calibration level control doesn’t work correctly. There is no level reading on the lower bar at all, but oddly, when rotating the control, it does have an effect on the bias level, albeit it’s quite minimal.
I’ve also noticed that the calibration test tone is only recorded to the right channel; no idea if this is normal or not, as it’s not mentioned in the manual.
So, wise Nakamichians, any ideas on what could be wrong and if so, hopefully, to offer a fix if, indeed, it can be fixed. All help / ideas most welcome. Many thanks in advance.


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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed Aug  5 17:02:56 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan via Naktalk)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 15:02:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL replacement relay part number/ make
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Hi i noticed the relay in Record Dolby PCB is broken. Does anyone knows correct part for replacement relay? thanks in advancekannan
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Wed Aug  5 17:28:11 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (N.van.wijnen@ziggo.nl via Naktalk)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 17:28:11 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL replacement relay part number/ make
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Hi Kannan,
I sell them on ebay,

http://www.ebay.nl/itm/264778108323?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

All the best 
Norman

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> Op 5 aug. 2020 om 17:12 heeft kannan srinivasaraghavan via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> 
> Hi 
> i noticed the relay in Record Dolby PCB is broken. Does anyone knows correct part for replacement relay? 
> thanks in advance
> kannan
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From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Ron Bell via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 08:59:33 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Question
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Hello,

 

I have a low serial number (First version) Dragon deck that I want to return
to operation after many years in storage.  Initially it worked great in the
forward direction, but would make a clicking sound (Azimuth alignment unit)
in the reverse direction.  I replaced the belts and idler wheel with parts
from beltkits, noticed they were a bit larger than the originals.   The
idler wheel now "wiggles" when it turns.did not do that before and the
clicking now occurs in the forward direction as well.

 

I have a another set of belts and idler tire that look to be more the right
size.

 

I have been told a low serial number Dragon is not worth repairing, too many
design flaws.  Sell it for parts.

 

My budget for this project is limited to a few hundred max.

 

If after replacing the belts and tire the clicking remains, should I just
disconnect the Azimuth and do without that great feature?  Is the movement
in the idler tire an issue?  Or are there other options.

 

Are there shops that will work on a low serial number Dragon for a
reasonable price?

 

Any other recommendations?

 

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Thu Aug  6 17:19:27 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Tom Brucker via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 10:19:27 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Question
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Message-ID: <CAAqwSUam8MbgMQohQc_7Rz39vM1DVhAic_xtpVpJ40ks4kyTpA@mail.gmail.com>

Belts and idler do not cure NAAC clicking. The most common cause is a dirty
play head. You need to carefully remove the pad lifter, then clean an
reinstall. I repair early dragons but I am not taking in work now because
of my backlog.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 8:38 AM Ron Bell via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
>
> I have a low serial number (First version) Dragon deck that I want to
> return to operation after many years in storage.  Initially it worked great
> in the forward direction, but would make a clicking sound (Azimuth
> alignment unit) in the reverse direction.  I replaced the belts and idler
> wheel with parts from beltkits, noticed they were a bit larger than the
> originals.   The idler wheel now “wiggles” when it turns…did not do that
> before and the clicking now occurs in the forward direction as well.
>
>
>
> I have a another set of belts and idler tire that look to be more the
> right size.
>
>
>
> I have been told a low serial number Dragon is not worth repairing, too
> many design flaws.  Sell it for parts.
>
>
>
> My budget for this project is limited to a few hundred max.
>
>
>
> If after replacing the belts and tire the clicking remains, should I just
> disconnect the Azimuth and do without that great feature?  Is the movement
> in the idler tire an issue?  Or are there other options.
>
>
>
> Are there shops that will work on a low serial number Dragon for a
> reasonable price?
>
>
>
> Any other recommendations?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Thu Aug  6 17:34:21 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (ashvin srivastava via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 11:34:21 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Parts for ZX-9
Message-ID: <CACSsU2OzbBzpMD5VeoGa=-j+iD-32yF5md_dTxgfGh8h6DCZtw@mail.gmail.com>

I need a couple of broken knobs for my ZX-9

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Aug  7 01:03:15 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Richard L. Hess via Naktalk)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 19:03:15 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Question
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References: <0a7e01d66bf1$6ed40f50$4c7c2df0$@googlemail.com>
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Hi, Tom,

One thing that got me going for a while was the clicking. I finally 
figured out that if the source tape is out of azimuth enough to run the 
azimuth all the way over, that will happen. I use Dragons to 
professionally digitize audio tapes.

So I would not rule out source tapes--of course, dirty heads could also 
be an issue, but not likely here as I'm pretty fastidious about cleaning 
my heads. Most machines get a cleaning for every tape pass.

Cheers,

Richard


On 2020-08-06 11:19 a.m., Tom Brucker via Naktalk wrote:
> Belts and idler do not cure NAAC clicking. The most common cause is a 
> dirty play head. You need to carefully remove the pad lifter, then 
> clean an reinstall. I repair early dragons but I am not taking in work 
> now because of my backlog.
>
>
-- 
Richard L. Hess                   email: richard at richardhess.com
Aurora, Ontario, Canada           http://www.richardhess.com/
http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm
Quality tape transfers -- even from hard-to-play tapes.


From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Aug  7 09:09:21 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Andrew via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 10:09:21 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Question
In-Reply-To: <fbe59689-b5e0-5d6a-faff-881402a1f406@richardhess.com>
References: <0a7e01d66bf1$6ed40f50$4c7c2df0$@googlemail.com>
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Message-ID: <CANMVBVy0FTPPG29W1hoMK87BXTL34v+H2j-D--WPkkJNHWo4Hw@mail.gmail.com>

Regarding NAAC, I disabled it after obtaining some experience with it.
First, its design is very poor. Cheap plastic mechanics that tends to
fail due to incorrect operation when at limit (clicking sound), they
should use perfectly-designed full-metal mechanics for this price (it
was around $3000 when new, AFAIR). No any limit sense, it just clicks
and clicks even if it's in ideal condition just due to the tape
recorded with incorrect azimuth. No control to disable it. Second, I
came to opinion that floating azimuth is not the right thing for me. I
want it to be stable or I cannot check if my transport is OK. So I
just disconnected NAAC plug from Accessories PCB and set NAAC to
central position + set correct azimuth manually and didn't change it.
Regarding idler problem. It's difficult to point what's the problem
via the net. Check what's wrong and try to fix, idler mechanics it's
quite simple.

Please note that Dragon has many design flaws, not just NAAC or idler
that should be gear, not tire (like in most more recent japaneese
decks). For example, Nakamichies had problematic lubrication that
deteriorates with times causing various problems and transport part
failures, so you need to clean and relub your transport if you didn't
do it before. DD power transistors has not heatsinks so they overheat
incredibly in prolonged (tens of minutes) play/rec mode if the
transport is not in ideal condition. If you want to obtain accaptable
reliability, consider restoring the device if you feel you're
experienced enough for this.

Please check this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nyzvfllw4t1slkd/Dragon%20Service%20List.pdf?dl=0

2020-08-07 2:03 GMT+03:00, Richard L. Hess via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>:
> Hi, Tom,
>
> One thing that got me going for a while was the clicking. I finally
> figured out that if the source tape is out of azimuth enough to run the
> azimuth all the way over, that will happen. I use Dragons to
> professionally digitize audio tapes.
>
> So I would not rule out source tapes--of course, dirty heads could also
> be an issue, but not likely here as I'm pretty fastidious about cleaning
> my heads. Most machines get a cleaning for every tape pass.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Richard
>
>
> On 2020-08-06 11:19 a.m., Tom Brucker via Naktalk wrote:
>> Belts and idler do not cure NAAC clicking. The most common cause is a
>> dirty play head. You need to carefully remove the pad lifter, then
>> clean an reinstall. I repair early dragons but I am not taking in work
>> now because of my backlog.
>>
>>
> --
> Richard L. Hess                   email: richard at richardhess.com
> Aurora, Ontario, Canada           http://www.richardhess.com/
> http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm
> Quality tape transfers -- even from hard-to-play tapes.
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Aug  7 13:26:50 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Michael via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 07:26:50 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Genesis Amplifier
References: <3145E9BC-927A-476D-BE2E-B6D1D8C911CA.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3145E9BC-927A-476D-BE2E-B6D1D8C911CA@aol.com>

Hope this E-Mail finds you safe, healthy & well.
Tom,
Any idea when I can pick up my 4 Channel Genesis Servo Amplifier.
This would be a great time to try to get my woofer system up and running again.
Any news from George about my woofers?
Michael A. Marks, MD
931-561-1668 voice or text


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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Aug  7 14:44:37 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (perry via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 08:44:37 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon flaws
Message-ID: <54361a4c-2f03-4c15-8154-17f8e95c5434@Perrys-iphone>

Saying a Dragon (or by default, any classic Nakamichi) has design flaws because it has a tire drive , the grease can get old & sticky, and the drive transistors can get hot is like saying a fine sports car has bad design because the tires wear out too fast, has engine problems because you have to change the oil and faulty brakes because they don’t work if your pads and rotors have to be replaced or you have no brakes.

It’s called maintenance. Lubrications and wear parts do need to be replaced. I will take a classic tire drive over any gear drive by any make because of what is in its name: “Silent Mechanism”. Gear drives are ambient noisy. Would you own a gear driven turntable? I think not.

The pivot arms are a direct result of the linear vertical lift of the transport via motor, which is more gentle and precise than a solenoid slamming the head block up. I doubt in 1978 Nakamichi was able to determine the life of the grease used, but since synthetics didn’t exist, 40 years would be a stretch. I’m sure they never expected cassettes to be in any kind of viable use 40 years later.

I can count the numbers of 40 plus year old audio gear that work today as they did when built, with no work, on one hand....while making a fist. OK, MAYBE a very few certain turntables, and specific speakers but even most of them need maintenance or replacement of rotted parts.

Yes, the early Dragons are more problem prone & were stupid expensive, (nobody paid list for Naks back in the day) when new and MAY not be able to be restored, at a reasonable cost, but those aren’t the reasons. The smaller capstan diameters, changes to the NAAC electronics design/layout and some mechanic changesbare the issues, and earlier ones have more mileage on them and can have worn heads, all of which can be solved but it ain’t cheap. The NAAC not having an easy shutoff is an oversight, I agree, and I have installed rear panel shut off switches on a few for customers.

Dragons, if in any kind of good cosmetic condition and basically work are selling for crazy money today, (just like CR-7s & ZX-9s) with fully restored ones topping $2000. The OP would likely be better off selling it and buying a fully restored Cassette Deck One or DR-1 with manual playback azimuth adjust for his needs. The W&F is not as good, but cost and performance are still excellent.

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Aug  7 15:52:28 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Rajiv Pandey via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 08:52:28 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Question
In-Reply-To: <fbe59689-b5e0-5d6a-faff-881402a1f406@richardhess.com>
References: <0a7e01d66bf1$6ed40f50$4c7c2df0$@googlemail.com>
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I agree that you cannot rule out source tapes as well. I digitize shows I
have recorded on tape and recently I was transferring a show recorded using
a well calibrated WMD6 on Metal tape. Since it was an audience recording
there is audience noise and the music has the usual reverb etc typical of
such recordings. Knowing that the Dragon needs a signal strength of a
certain level I usually forward tapes a bit to louder portion and let the
NAAC adjust but it usually ends up clicking on audience recordings.
To test how much (if any) the azimuth needed tweaking, I popped the tape
into my CR7 and it sounded perfect with default settings...a very very
minor tweak (and it may be a placebo effect) to the right helped make the
vocals brighter but not by much (and any further to the right and they
started to get muddy)

Long story short - the naac did not account for such content when it was
designed and usually does well at adjustment when it is a nice sounding
studio or official live recording . This is the reason I use my CR7 for all
my audience recording transfers

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:52 AM Richard L. Hess via Naktalk <
naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

> Hi, Tom,
>
> One thing that got me going for a while was the clicking. I finally
> figured out that if the source tape is out of azimuth enough to run the
> azimuth all the way over, that will happen. I use Dragons to
> professionally digitize audio tapes.
>
> So I would not rule out source tapes--of course, dirty heads could also
> be an issue, but not likely here as I'm pretty fastidious about cleaning
> my heads. Most machines get a cleaning for every tape pass.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Richard
>
>
> On 2020-08-06 11:19 a.m., Tom Brucker via Naktalk wrote:
> > Belts and idler do not cure NAAC clicking. The most common cause is a
> > dirty play head. You need to carefully remove the pad lifter, then
> > clean an reinstall. I repair early dragons but I am not taking in work
> > now because of my backlog.
> >
> >
> --
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> http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm
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>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Aug  7 17:16:21 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Andrew via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 18:16:21 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon flaws
In-Reply-To: <54361a4c-2f03-4c15-8154-17f8e95c5434@Perrys-iphone>
References: <54361a4c-2f03-4c15-8154-17f8e95c5434@Perrys-iphone>
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Perry, really glad to read your comment. Many things depend on our points
of view. But they definiteky could make the treansport better. All-metal
NAAC "gearbox" with reliable mechanical rotation limiter (last resort) +
electronic range control, NAAC on-off switch, metal worm transmission to
move heads and rollers assembly (it's silent) without any belts, heatsinks
for DD transistors (I made them myself with simple tools). With such a
price it was not a problem.
But I don't want to say that classic transport is bad. There are few decks
that may not need restoration now and has no design flaws. Technics-BX747,
any others? If cleaned and relubed, classic transport will work good except
possible Hall sensor problems, AFAIR. NAAC may just be disabled. But we
should take into account things that must be treated to obtain good
reliability.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 15:57 perry via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

> Saying a Dragon (or by default, any classic Nakamichi)  has design flaws
> because it has a tire drive , the grease can get old & sticky, and the
> drive transistors can get hot is like saying a fine sports car has bad
> design because the tires wear out too fast, has engine problems because you
> have to change the oil and faulty brakes because they don’t work if your
> pads and rotors have to be replaced or you have no brakes.
>
> It’s called maintenance. Lubrications and wear parts do need to be
> replaced. I will take a classic tire drive over any gear drive by any make
> because of what is in its name: “Silent Mechanism”.  Gear drives are
> ambient noisy. Would you own a gear driven turntable? I think not.
>
> The pivot arms are a direct result of the linear vertical lift of the
> transport via motor, which is more gentle and precise than a solenoid
> slamming the head block up. I doubt in 1978 Nakamichi was able to determine
> the life of the grease used, but since synthetics didn’t exist, 40 years
> would be a stretch. I’m sure they never expected cassettes to be in any
> kind of viable use 40 years later.
>
> I can count the numbers of 40 plus year old audio gear that work today as
> they did when built, with no work, on one hand....while making a fist. OK,
> MAYBE a very few certain turntables, and specific speakers but even most of
> them need maintenance or replacement of rotted parts.
>
> Yes, the early Dragons are more problem prone & were stupid expensive,
> (nobody paid list for Naks back in the day) when new and MAY not be able to
> be restored, at a reasonable cost, but those aren’t the reasons. The
> smaller capstan diameters, changes to the NAAC electronics design/layout
> and some mechanic changesbare the issues, and earlier ones have more
> mileage on them and can have worn heads, all of which can be solved but it
> ain’t cheap. The NAAC not having an easy shutoff is an oversight, I agree,
> and I have installed rear panel shut off switches on a few for customers.
>
> Dragons, if in any kind of good cosmetic condition and basically work are
> selling for crazy money today, (just like CR-7s & ZX-9s) with fully
> restored ones topping $2000.  The OP would likely be better off selling it
> and buying a fully restored Cassette Deck One or DR-1 with manual playback
> azimuth adjust for his needs. The W&F is not as good, but cost and
> performance are still excellent.
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Aug  7 18:50:09 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Willy Hermann via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 09:50:09 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon flaws
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Thank you Perry for your comments.  I agree and would not have been as
gentle as your wording.  Attacking the design of a vintage unit and
proposing modifications has, in my decades of experience, been the excuse
used by a tech unable to correctly restore a vintage unit.  I have always
felt that my job as a tech is to restore the deck to as close to the
original as possible.  Some people disagree but I've always taken a dim
view of a 1967 Corvette with flared wheel wells and oversized tires.
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Aug  7 20:46:30 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Andrew via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 21:46:30 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon flaws
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Willy, I see that you have different opinion, but, anyway, there cannot be
complete agreement on such topic. One can consider some solution optimal
while other will say that it could be much better. There is also difference
in our relation to any gear. I want any device to be as reliable and
durable as possible keeping reasonable price and sound quality so my
opinion regarding such problems is more "aggressive" than others'. I
proposed improvements for not to be just bla-bla... About gear drives.
Naturally, I imply reel drive, not capstan drive, so it cannot be compared
with turntables. Tires are not specific to Nak Classic, they were widely
used but then they switched to gears for reel drive. Possibly it was
problematic (costly) to make molds for plastic gears in the past. Plus
"silent mechanism". So they used tires. In more recent decks from early 90s
there are mainly gear reel drives. Yes, on rew/ff they are not as silent as
Dragon but it's not a problem for me. In Play, there is no noticable
difference.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 19:50 Willy Hermann <willy at willyhermannservices.com>
wrote:

> Thank you Perry for your comments.  I agree and would not have been as
> gentle as your wording.  Attacking the design of a vintage unit and
> proposing modifications has, in my decades of experience, been the excuse
> used by a tech unable to correctly restore a vintage unit.  I have always
> felt that my job as a tech is to restore the deck to as close to the
> original as possible.  Some people disagree but I've always taken a dim
> view of a 1967 Corvette with flared wheel wells and oversized tires.
> Willy
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Aug  7 21:11:00 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Wouter Heijke via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2020 21:11:00 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon flaws
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Message-ID: <99f476e6985411204ac3986473f23d50@xs4all.nl>

I bought my (early) Dragon that way once (cheap), the whole Azimuth 
motor was missing!!
I suppose that was the proposed solution to it's problems..
Took quite some money to have it properly fixed, so now it is a real 
Dragon again.
I do admit is is the Nak with the most problems, at least mine... one is 
fixed and after a short time the next one appears!

Wouter

On 2020-08-07 18:50, Willy Hermann via Naktalk wrote:
> Thank you Perry for your comments.  I agree and would not have been as
> gentle as your wording.  Attacking the design of a vintage unit and
> proposing modifications has, in my decades of experience, been the
> excuse used by a tech unable to correctly restore a vintage unit.  I
> have always felt that my job as a tech is to restore the deck to as
> close to the original as possible.  Some people disagree but I've
> always taken a dim view of a 1967 Corvette with flared wheel wells and
> oversized tires.
> Willy
> 

From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Aug  7 21:56:47 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Willy Hermann via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 12:56:47 -0700
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon flaws
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If anyone is interested in a little history, Nakakamichi came out with the
gear drive spooling mechanism to answer a problem which didn't occur at
before the introduction of CD's.  People began to use their cassette decks
less than before.  When allowed to sit for a period of time the rubber tire
would glaze and slip.  I still think the tire drive is superior to the gear
drive provided the deck is used regularly.
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Aug  7 22:13:27 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (N.van.wijnen@ziggo.nl via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 22:13:27 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon flaws
In-Reply-To: <54361a4c-2f03-4c15-8154-17f8e95c5434@Perrys-iphone>
References: <54361a4c-2f03-4c15-8154-17f8e95c5434@Perrys-iphone>
Message-ID: <582EAB52-CF4C-461B-9743-4144AFDDE8FA@ziggo.nl>

Hi guys,
After all, we speak about machines from 30 to 40 years old.
What a unbelievable quality . Deep bow for nakamichi.

Best for all 
Norman

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

> Op 7 aug. 2020 om 15:05 heeft perry via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Saying a Dragon (or by default, any classic Nakamichi)  has design flaws because it has a tire drive , the grease can get old & sticky, and the drive transistors can get hot is like saying a fine sports car has bad design because the tires wear out too fast, has engine problems because you have to change the oil and faulty brakes because they don’t work if your pads and rotors have to be replaced or you have no brakes. 
> 
> It’s called maintenance. Lubrications and wear parts do need to be replaced. I will take a classic tire drive over any gear drive by any make because of what is in its name: “Silent Mechanism”.  Gear drives are ambient noisy. Would you own a gear driven turntable? I think not. 
> 
> The pivot arms are a direct result of the linear vertical lift of the transport via motor, which is more gentle and precise than a solenoid slamming the head block up. I doubt in 1978 Nakamichi was able to determine the life of the grease used, but since synthetics didn’t exist, 40 years would be a stretch. I’m sure they never expected cassettes to be in any kind of viable use 40 years later. 
> 
> I can count the numbers of 40 plus year old audio gear that work today as they did when built, with no work, on one hand....while making a fist. OK, MAYBE a very few certain turntables, and specific speakers but even most of them need maintenance or replacement of rotted parts. 
> 
> Yes, the early Dragons are more problem prone & were stupid expensive, (nobody paid list for Naks back in the day) when new and MAY not be able to be restored, at a reasonable cost, but those aren’t the reasons. The smaller capstan diameters, changes to the NAAC electronics design/layout and some mechanic changesbare the issues, and earlier ones have more mileage on them and can have worn heads, all of which can be solved but it ain’t cheap. The NAAC not having an easy shutoff is an oversight, I agree, and I have installed rear panel shut off switches on a few for customers. 
> 
> Dragons, if in any kind of good cosmetic condition and basically work are selling for crazy money today, (just like CR-7s & ZX-9s) with fully restored ones topping $2000.  The OP would likely be better off selling it and buying a fully restored Cassette Deck One or DR-1 with manual playback azimuth adjust for his needs. The W&F is not as good, but cost and performance are still excellent. 
> 
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Aug  7 22:42:00 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Daniel Botelho via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 16:42:00 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon flaws
In-Reply-To: <582EAB52-CF4C-461B-9743-4144AFDDE8FA@ziggo.nl>
References: <54361a4c-2f03-4c15-8154-17f8e95c5434@Perrys-iphone>
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Out of all the decks that I enjoy using and working on the most, the Dragon
is pretty high on the list.

Every couple of years, it comes out of my rack for a mechanical
overhaul/lubrication.  Sure, it takes a bit of time...but these decks
really need the preventative maintenance, especially the capstan bearings.

To be honest, If you cannot understand the *incredible* amount of
technology (this is going back 40 years!!!) involved with creating this
deck that can automatically adjust for azimuth, as well as keep a pair of
capstans going at an incredibly precise speed sans belts...AND incorporate
an excellent 3 head auto-reverse setup without a reversing head(?!?),
manual bias/level adjustments, blank skip, etc.  Please...give the deck to
someone who will give the deck the respect it deserves.

If you want a deck that can play and record tapes out there for cheap,
there's plenty of cheap and cheerful decks out there.  If you don't have
the patience or skillset to work on a deck like this, might I suggest you
put it back together and give it to someone who will?

Suffice to say, the Nakamichi Dragon isn't for you...


On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 4:13 PM N.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl via Naktalk <
naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

> Hi guys,
> After all, we speak about machines from 30 to 40 years old.
> What a unbelievable quality . Deep bow for nakamichi.
>
> Best for all
> Norman
>
> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
>
> > Op 7 aug. 2020 om 15:05 heeft perry via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> het volgende geschreven:
> >
> > Saying a Dragon (or by default, any classic Nakamichi)  has design
> flaws because it has a tire drive , the grease can get old & sticky, and
> the drive transistors can get hot is like saying a fine sports car has bad
> design because the tires wear out too fast, has engine problems because you
> have to change the oil and faulty brakes because they don’t work if your
> pads and rotors have to be replaced or you have no brakes.
> >
> > It’s called maintenance. Lubrications and wear parts do need to be
> replaced. I will take a classic tire drive over any gear drive by any make
> because of what is in its name: “Silent Mechanism”.  Gear drives are
> ambient noisy. Would you own a gear driven turntable? I think not.
> >
> > The pivot arms are a direct result of the linear vertical lift of the
> transport via motor, which is more gentle and precise than a solenoid
> slamming the head block up. I doubt in 1978 Nakamichi was able to determine
> the life of the grease used, but since synthetics didn’t exist, 40 years
> would be a stretch. I’m sure they never expected cassettes to be in any
> kind of viable use 40 years later.
> >
> > I can count the numbers of 40 plus year old audio gear that work today
> as they did when built, with no work, on one hand....while making a fist.
> OK, MAYBE a very few certain turntables, and specific speakers but even
> most of them need maintenance or replacement of rotted parts.
> >
> > Yes, the early Dragons are more problem prone & were stupid expensive,
> (nobody paid list for Naks back in the day) when new and MAY not be able to
> be restored, at a reasonable cost, but those aren’t the reasons. The
> smaller capstan diameters, changes to the NAAC electronics design/layout
> and some mechanic changesbare the issues, and earlier ones have more
> mileage on them and can have worn heads, all of which can be solved but it
> ain’t cheap. The NAAC not having an easy shutoff is an oversight, I agree,
> and I have installed rear panel shut off switches on a few for customers.
> >
> > Dragons, if in any kind of good cosmetic condition and basically work
> are selling for crazy money today, (just like CR-7s & ZX-9s) with fully
> restored ones topping $2000.  The OP would likely be better off selling it
> and buying a fully restored Cassette Deck One or DR-1 with manual playback
> azimuth adjust for his needs. The W&F is not as good, but cost and
> performance are still excellent.
> >
> > Sent from Xfinity Connect App
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sat Aug  8 00:24:38 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Daniel Botelho via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 18:24:38 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon flaws
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I'm close to Toronto, Ontario, Canada.  Probably quite far from the rest of
you guys.  :)
I do work on naks, but tend to find myself busy these days at the office.

The guys here on this board are pretty adept for helping others out.
Similar to reel to reel decks, it's very handy to learn how to work and
clean up these decks, as good techs are rarer than hen's teeth.

The CR-7 is a fine deck.  And quite complex as well.  You'll want to find
an actual nak tech that can dial 'er in, with all the gauges and factory
test tapes.

Where are you located, martin?

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 6:15 PM martin ferreira <martinferreira at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Daniel
> Where are you located?
> Do you do repairs?
> I have a cr7 that is due for a check up
>
>
>
> *Martin Ferreira*
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of Daniel
> Botelho via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 7, 2020 8:42 PM
> *To:* N.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl <n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl>; Talk about Nakamichi
> Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Dragon flaws
>
> Out of all the decks that I enjoy using and working on the most, the
> Dragon is pretty high on the list.
>
> Every couple of years, it comes out of my rack for a mechanical
> overhaul/lubrication.  Sure, it takes a bit of time...but these decks
> really need the preventative maintenance, especially the capstan bearings.
>
> To be honest, If you cannot understand the *incredible* amount of
> technology (this is going back 40 years!!!) involved with creating this
> deck that can automatically adjust for azimuth, as well as keep a pair of
> capstans going at an incredibly precise speed sans belts...AND incorporate
> an excellent 3 head auto-reverse setup without a reversing head(?!?),
> manual bias/level adjustments, blank skip, etc.  Please...give the deck to
> someone who will give the deck the respect it deserves.
>
> If you want a deck that can play and record tapes out there for cheap,
> there's plenty of cheap and cheerful decks out there.  If you don't have
> the patience or skillset to work on a deck like this, might I suggest you
> put it back together and give it to someone who will?
>
> Suffice to say, the Nakamichi Dragon isn't for you...
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 4:13 PM N.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl via Naktalk <
> naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
> After all, we speak about machines from 30 to 40 years old.
> What a unbelievable quality . Deep bow for nakamichi.
>
> Best for all
> Norman
>
> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
>
> > Op 7 aug. 2020 om 15:05 heeft perry via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> het volgende geschreven:
> >
> > Saying a Dragon (or by default, any classic Nakamichi)  has design
> flaws because it has a tire drive , the grease can get old & sticky, and
> the drive transistors can get hot is like saying a fine sports car has bad
> design because the tires wear out too fast, has engine problems because you
> have to change the oil and faulty brakes because they don’t work if your
> pads and rotors have to be replaced or you have no brakes.
> >
> > It’s called maintenance. Lubrications and wear parts do need to be
> replaced. I will take a classic tire drive over any gear drive by any make
> because of what is in its name: “Silent Mechanism”.  Gear drives are
> ambient noisy. Would you own a gear driven turntable? I think not.
> >
> > The pivot arms are a direct result of the linear vertical lift of the
> transport via motor, which is more gentle and precise than a solenoid
> slamming the head block up. I doubt in 1978 Nakamichi was able to determine
> the life of the grease used, but since synthetics didn’t exist, 40 years
> would be a stretch. I’m sure they never expected cassettes to be in any
> kind of viable use 40 years later.
> >
> > I can count the numbers of 40 plus year old audio gear that work today
> as they did when built, with no work, on one hand....while making a fist.
> OK, MAYBE a very few certain turntables, and specific speakers but even
> most of them need maintenance or replacement of rotted parts.
> >
> > Yes, the early Dragons are more problem prone & were stupid expensive,
> (nobody paid list for Naks back in the day) when new and MAY not be able to
> be restored, at a reasonable cost, but those aren’t the reasons. The
> smaller capstan diameters, changes to the NAAC electronics design/layout
> and some mechanic changesbare the issues, and earlier ones have more
> mileage on them and can have worn heads, all of which can be solved but it
> ain’t cheap. The NAAC not having an easy shutoff is an oversight, I agree,
> and I have installed rear panel shut off switches on a few for customers.
> >
> > Dragons, if in any kind of good cosmetic condition and basically work
> are selling for crazy money today, (just like CR-7s & ZX-9s) with fully
> restored ones topping $2000.  The OP would likely be better off selling it
> and buying a fully restored Cassette Deck One or DR-1 with manual playback
> azimuth adjust for his needs. The W&F is not as good, but cost and
> performance are still excellent.
> >
> > Sent from Xfinity Connect App
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From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Tom Brucker via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 17:00:31 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Question
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On could wire a switch into one side of CN-5 to defeat NAAC. with the
switch on, open the cassette holder. NAAC will move to the middle position.
Then open the switch, load cassette, and play, ignoring the flashing lights.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 8:56 AM Rajiv Pandey via Naktalk <
naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

> I agree that you cannot rule out source tapes as well. I digitize shows I
> have recorded on tape and recently I was transferring a show recorded using
> a well calibrated WMD6 on Metal tape. Since it was an audience recording
> there is audience noise and the music has the usual reverb etc typical of
> such recordings. Knowing that the Dragon needs a signal strength of a
> certain level I usually forward tapes a bit to louder portion and let the
> NAAC adjust but it usually ends up clicking on audience recordings.
> To test how much (if any) the azimuth needed tweaking, I popped the tape
> into my CR7 and it sounded perfect with default settings...a very very
> minor tweak (and it may be a placebo effect) to the right helped make the
> vocals brighter but not by much (and any further to the right and they
> started to get muddy)
>
> Long story short - the naac did not account for such content when it was
> designed and usually does well at adjustment when it is a nice sounding
> studio or official live recording . This is the reason I use my CR7 for all
> my audience recording transfers
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:52 AM Richard L. Hess via Naktalk <
> naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi, Tom,
>>
>> One thing that got me going for a while was the clicking. I finally
>> figured out that if the source tape is out of azimuth enough to run the
>> azimuth all the way over, that will happen. I use Dragons to
>> professionally digitize audio tapes.
>>
>> So I would not rule out source tapes--of course, dirty heads could also
>> be an issue, but not likely here as I'm pretty fastidious about cleaning
>> my heads. Most machines get a cleaning for every tape pass.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> On 2020-08-06 11:19 a.m., Tom Brucker via Naktalk wrote:
>> > Belts and idler do not cure NAAC clicking. The most common cause is a
>> > dirty play head. You need to carefully remove the pad lifter, then
>> > clean an reinstall. I repair early dragons but I am not taking in work
>> > now because of my backlog.
>> >
>> >
>> --
>> Richard L. Hess                   email: richard at richardhess.com
>> Aurora, Ontario, Canada           http://www.richardhess.com/
>> http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm
>> Quality tape transfers -- even from hard-to-play tapes.
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Aug  7 22:25:56 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Carlos Guzman via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 20:25:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon flaws
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References: <54361a4c-2f03-4c15-8154-17f8e95c5434@Perrys-iphone>
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Hola,
With all honesty, not even the manufacturers expected these units to still working 40 years later and in very good condition. I understand all your points expressed here, but complaining about these machines due to maintenance related issues is not fair at all. Nakamichi were not perfect and many flaws were corrected as production went by as other brands did to. Kudos to Nakamichi, a clear stepping stone in cassette deck technology.
Saludos,
Carlos J Guzman 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Friday, August 7, 2020, 4:13 PM, N.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

Hi guys,
After all, we speak about machines from 30 to 40 years old.
What a unbelievable quality . Deep bow for nakamichi.

Best for all 
Norman

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

> Op 7 aug. 2020 om 15:05 heeft perry via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Saying a Dragon (or by default, any classic Nakamichi)  has design flaws because it has a tire drive , the grease can get old & sticky, and the drive transistors can get hot is like saying a fine sports car has bad design because the tires wear out too fast, has engine problems because you have to change the oil and faulty brakes because they don’t work if your pads and rotors have to be replaced or you have no brakes. 
> 
> It’s called maintenance. Lubrications and wear parts do need to be replaced. I will take a classic tire drive over any gear drive by any make because of what is in its name: “Silent Mechanism”.  Gear drives are ambient noisy. Would you own a gear driven turntable? I think not. 
> 
> The pivot arms are a direct result of the linear vertical lift of the transport via motor, which is more gentle and precise than a solenoid slamming the head block up. I doubt in 1978 Nakamichi was able to determine the life of the grease used, but since synthetics didn’t exist, 40 years would be a stretch. I’m sure they never expected cassettes to be in any kind of viable use 40 years later. 
> 
> I can count the numbers of 40 plus year old audio gear that work today as they did when built, with no work, on one hand....while making a fist. OK, MAYBE a very few certain turntables, and specific speakers but even most of them need maintenance or replacement of rotted parts. 
> 
> Yes, the early Dragons are more problem prone & were stupid expensive, (nobody paid list for Naks back in the day) when new and MAY not be able to be restored, at a reasonable cost, but those aren’t the reasons. The smaller capstan diameters, changes to the NAAC electronics design/layout and some mechanic changesbare the issues, and earlier ones have more mileage on them and can have worn heads, all of which can be solved but it ain’t cheap. The NAAC not having an easy shutoff is an oversight, I agree, and I have installed rear panel shut off switches on a few for customers. 
> 
> Dragons, if in any kind of good cosmetic condition and basically work are selling for crazy money today, (just like CR-7s & ZX-9s) with fully restored ones topping $2000.  The OP would likely be better off selling it and buying a fully restored Cassette Deck One or DR-1 with manual playback azimuth adjust for his needs. The W&F is not as good, but cost and performance are still excellent. 
> 
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From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Carlos Guzman via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 20:29:21 +0000 (UTC)
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Hola,
With all honesty, not even the manufacturers expected these units to still working 40 years later and in very good condition. I understand all your points expressed here, but complaining about these machines due to maintenance related issues is not fair at all. Nakamichi were not perfect and many flaws were corrected as production went by as other brands did to. Kudos to Nakamichi, a clear stepping stone in cassette deck technology.
Saludos,
Carlos J Guzman 

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Aug  7 22:34:59 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (thomas laurence via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 15:34:59 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Genesis Amplifier
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Mike,
I'm thinking you have the wrong Tom.
No Genesis amp in my neck of the woods, and the only Georges who come to
mind are a mathematics professor in Rio who specializes in topological
vector spaces and another who's
an expert on light meter calibration in LA.
Yes, I am a Nakaphile, absolutely loyal to Willy Hermann.
I obtain all my woofers from Madisound and build my own speakers.
I'm a neurologist.
Stay safe and healthy yourself, dear Mike!
All my best,
Tom Laurence, M.D.
Assistant Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine
University of Illinois College of Medicine


On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 6:27 AM Michael via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
wrote:

> Hope this E-Mail finds you safe, healthy & well.
> Tom,
> Any idea when I can pick up my 4 Channel Genesis Servo Amplifier.
> This would be a great time to try to get my woofer system up and running
> again.
> Any news from George about my woofers?
> Michael A. Marks, MD
> 931-561-1668 voice or text
>
>
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Aug  7 22:34:29 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Richard L. Hess via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 16:34:29 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Richard's modification for manual azimuth on a Dragon
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I have seven Dragons, with four in use in my studio--not every day, but 
once in a while (less work these days as I slow down). The four allow me 
to ingest four tapes in parallel into an RME Fireface UFX II (and if 
they are Dolby, I can use an outboard Dolby 422 and ingest two tapes 
both raw and decoded).

I have four small diecast boxes with little spring SPDT center off 
momentary both sides switches. These connect to the GIZMO connector on 
the Dragon. I've modified that by removing the one wire that is not 
power/ground.

I have modified most of my Dragons in a simple way: The Timer Record 
switch has a spare pole on it. The NAAC motor hot side now runs through 
that. If I depress the switch, it disables NAAC (you don't need NAAC in 
record if you're doing timer record) and connects the NAAC motor to the 
Gizmo connector. There is a current limit resistor in the switch box. In 
this way, I can manually adjust the azimuth using the NAAC motor.

Yes, it has a narrower range than some cassettes I receive to transfer. 
One can offset the manual azimuth adjustment in the Dragon (or I could 
use one of my MR-1s for the purpose). It is relatively easy to reset the 
play head manual azimuth to proper location after transferring the tape 
with the really bad azimuth.

Nakamichi really understood the azimuth problem and this is a brilliant 
solution. I have presented a paper both for the Association of Recorded 
Sound Collections and a slightly different version to the Audio 
Engineering Society. This link is to the expanded version of the ARSC 
presentation.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fdhhv1s3lzclw63/2016-05_HESS_ARSC_Azimuth_Slides_%26_Demos.zip?dl=0

It hopefully explains why, once you get physical azimuth close, you can 
improve signal-to-noise ratio in mono cassettes by summing the channels. 
Electronic "azimuth correction" can better match the two channels for 
even less HF loss. I use that feature in iZotope RX.

Enjoy!

Cheers,

Richard


On 2020-08-07 3:11 p.m., Wouter Heijke via Naktalk wrote:
> I bought my (early) Dragon that way once (cheap), the whole Azimuth 
> motor was missing!!
> I suppose that was the proposed solution to it's problems..
> Took quite some money to have it properly fixed, so now it is a real 
> Dragon again.
> I do admit is is the Nak with the most problems, at least mine... one 
> is fixed and after a short time the next one appears!
>
> Wouter
>
> On 2020-08-07 18:50, Willy Hermann via Naktalk wrote:
>> Thank you Perry for your comments.  I agree and would not have been as
>> gentle as your wording.  Attacking the design of a vintage unit and
>> proposing modifications has, in my decades of experience, been the
>> excuse used by a tech unable to correctly restore a vintage unit.  I
>> have always felt that my job as a tech is to restore the deck to as
>> close to the original as possible.  Some people disagree but I've
>> always taken a dim view of a 1967 Corvette with flared wheel wells and
>> oversized tires.
>> Willy
>>
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Quality tape transfers -- even from hard-to-play tapes.


From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sat Aug  8 00:15:49 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (martin ferreira via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 22:15:49 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon flaws
In-Reply-To: <CAEwmrs7jo8GNVeuf1wE8y7G_M_7OHQqcmoKCwAcjmX2HntVeYA@mail.gmail.com>
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Daniel
Where are you located?
Do you do repairs?
I have a cr7 that is due for a check up



Martin Ferreira
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From: Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of Daniel Botelho via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2020 8:42 PM
To: N.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl <n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl>; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon flaws

Out of all the decks that I enjoy using and working on the most, the Dragon is pretty high on the list.

Every couple of years, it comes out of my rack for a mechanical overhaul/lubrication.  Sure, it takes a bit of time...but these decks really need the preventative maintenance, especially the capstan bearings.

To be honest, If you cannot understand the incredible amount of technology (this is going back 40 years!!!) involved with creating this deck that can automatically adjust for azimuth, as well as keep a pair of capstans going at an incredibly precise speed sans belts...AND incorporate an excellent 3 head auto-reverse setup without a reversing head(?!?), manual bias/level adjustments, blank skip, etc.  Please...give the deck to someone who will give the deck the respect it deserves.

If you want a deck that can play and record tapes out there for cheap, there's plenty of cheap and cheerful decks out there.  If you don't have the patience or skillset to work on a deck like this, might I suggest you put it back together and give it to someone who will?

Suffice to say, the Nakamichi Dragon isn't for you...


On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 4:13 PM N.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl<mailto:N.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl> via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com<mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> wrote:
Hi guys,
After all, we speak about machines from 30 to 40 years old.
What a unbelievable quality . Deep bow for nakamichi.

Best for all
Norman

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

> Op 7 aug. 2020 om 15:05 heeft perry via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com<mailto:naktalk at lists.naks.com>> het volgende geschreven:
>
> Saying a Dragon (or by default, any classic Nakamichi)  has design flaws because it has a tire drive , the grease can get old & sticky, and the drive transistors can get hot is like saying a fine sports car has bad design because the tires wear out too fast, has engine problems because you have to change the oil and faulty brakes because they don’t work if your pads and rotors have to be replaced or you have no brakes.
>
> It’s called maintenance. Lubrications and wear parts do need to be replaced. I will take a classic tire drive over any gear drive by any make because of what is in its name: “Silent Mechanism”.  Gear drives are ambient noisy. Would you own a gear driven turntable? I think not.
>
> The pivot arms are a direct result of the linear vertical lift of the transport via motor, which is more gentle and precise than a solenoid slamming the head block up. I doubt in 1978 Nakamichi was able to determine the life of the grease used, but since synthetics didn’t exist, 40 years would be a stretch. I’m sure they never expected cassettes to be in any kind of viable use 40 years later.
>
> I can count the numbers of 40 plus year old audio gear that work today as they did when built, with no work, on one hand....while making a fist. OK, MAYBE a very few certain turntables, and specific speakers but even most of them need maintenance or replacement of rotted parts.
>
> Yes, the early Dragons are more problem prone & were stupid expensive, (nobody paid list for Naks back in the day) when new and MAY not be able to be restored, at a reasonable cost, but those aren’t the reasons. The smaller capstan diameters, changes to the NAAC electronics design/layout and some mechanic changesbare the issues, and earlier ones have more mileage on them and can have worn heads, all of which can be solved but it ain’t cheap. The NAAC not having an easy shutoff is an oversight, I agree, and I have installed rear panel shut off switches on a few for customers.
>
> Dragons, if in any kind of good cosmetic condition and basically work are selling for crazy money today, (just like CR-7s & ZX-9s) with fully restored ones topping $2000.  The OP would likely be better off selling it and buying a fully restored Cassette Deck One or DR-1 with manual playback azimuth adjust for his needs. The W&F is not as good, but cost and performance are still excellent.
>
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From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Andrew via Naktalk)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2020 14:23:23 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon flaws
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Daniel, I put into my Dragon lots of work to fix many issues, and the idler
tire is already replaced. I like it for it's unique design and stable
transport (I'm not sure in Hall sensors but I have new ones). I made a warm
white led cassette light as I like it to be. So I will not give it away,
it's one of my favorite decks. Any vintage lover should accept the fact
that vintage gear needs comprehensive restoration to be reliable as new.
Reading comments I see that people get me wrong... I don't want to say that
Naks are bad while others are good. It's not specific to Nakamichi. I wat
to say that:
1. There are, statistically, some hidden or exposed issues in any vintage
machines except very few.
2. Devices could be done much better but developers wasn't concentrated on
reliability and durability. Usually, their main goal was sound quality (to
sell more) and low/accaptable production cost. Electronics was very
expensive in that era, especially japaneese because it was of better
quality. So production cost had great meaning fir business. Although the
Dragon price, I think, was too high anyway.
3. To obtain relatively reliable machine restoration is needed (not just
repair). Collecting the list of issues for specific model on the Internet
and preventive fixing of all issues (if possible). So I gave my PDF to the
topic starter if he needs it because he can find many issues described in
one file and save time.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 01:25 Daniel Botelho via Naktalk <
naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

> I'm close to Toronto, Ontario, Canada.  Probably quite far from the rest
> of you guys.  :)
> I do work on naks, but tend to find myself busy these days at the office.
>
> The guys here on this board are pretty adept for helping others out.
> Similar to reel to reel decks, it's very handy to learn how to work and
> clean up these decks, as good techs are rarer than hen's teeth.
>
> The CR-7 is a fine deck.  And quite complex as well.  You'll want to find
> an actual nak tech that can dial 'er in, with all the gauges and factory
> test tapes.
>
> Where are you located, martin?
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 6:15 PM martin ferreira <martinferreira at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Daniel
>> Where are you located?
>> Do you do repairs?
>> I have a cr7 that is due for a check up
>>
>>
>>
>> *Martin Ferreira*
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Naktalk <naktalk-bounces at lists.naks.com> on behalf of Daniel
>> Botelho via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 7, 2020 8:42 PM
>> *To:* N.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl <n.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl>; Talk about
>> Nakamichi Cassette Decks <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Dragon flaws
>>
>> Out of all the decks that I enjoy using and working on the most, the
>> Dragon is pretty high on the list.
>>
>> Every couple of years, it comes out of my rack for a mechanical
>> overhaul/lubrication.  Sure, it takes a bit of time...but these decks
>> really need the preventative maintenance, especially the capstan bearings.
>>
>> To be honest, If you cannot understand the *incredible* amount of
>> technology (this is going back 40 years!!!) involved with creating this
>> deck that can automatically adjust for azimuth, as well as keep a pair of
>> capstans going at an incredibly precise speed sans belts...AND incorporate
>> an excellent 3 head auto-reverse setup without a reversing head(?!?),
>> manual bias/level adjustments, blank skip, etc.  Please...give the deck to
>> someone who will give the deck the respect it deserves.
>>
>> If you want a deck that can play and record tapes out there for cheap,
>> there's plenty of cheap and cheerful decks out there.  If you don't have
>> the patience or skillset to work on a deck like this, might I suggest you
>> put it back together and give it to someone who will?
>>
>> Suffice to say, the Nakamichi Dragon isn't for you...
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 4:13 PM N.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl via Naktalk <
>> naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys,
>> After all, we speak about machines from 30 to 40 years old.
>> What a unbelievable quality . Deep bow for nakamichi.
>>
>> Best for all
>> Norman
>>
>> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
>>
>> > Op 7 aug. 2020 om 15:05 heeft perry via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
>> het volgende geschreven:
>> >
>> > Saying a Dragon (or by default, any classic Nakamichi)  has design
>> flaws because it has a tire drive , the grease can get old & sticky, and
>> the drive transistors can get hot is like saying a fine sports car has bad
>> design because the tires wear out too fast, has engine problems because you
>> have to change the oil and faulty brakes because they don’t work if your
>> pads and rotors have to be replaced or you have no brakes.
>> >
>> > It’s called maintenance. Lubrications and wear parts do need to be
>> replaced. I will take a classic tire drive over any gear drive by any make
>> because of what is in its name: “Silent Mechanism”.  Gear drives are
>> ambient noisy. Would you own a gear driven turntable? I think not.
>> >
>> > The pivot arms are a direct result of the linear vertical lift of the
>> transport via motor, which is more gentle and precise than a solenoid
>> slamming the head block up. I doubt in 1978 Nakamichi was able to determine
>> the life of the grease used, but since synthetics didn’t exist, 40 years
>> would be a stretch. I’m sure they never expected cassettes to be in any
>> kind of viable use 40 years later.
>> >
>> > I can count the numbers of 40 plus year old audio gear that work today
>> as they did when built, with no work, on one hand....while making a fist.
>> OK, MAYBE a very few certain turntables, and specific speakers but even
>> most of them need maintenance or replacement of rotted parts.
>> >
>> > Yes, the early Dragons are more problem prone & were stupid expensive,
>> (nobody paid list for Naks back in the day) when new and MAY not be able to
>> be restored, at a reasonable cost, but those aren’t the reasons. The
>> smaller capstan diameters, changes to the NAAC electronics design/layout
>> and some mechanic changesbare the issues, and earlier ones have more
>> mileage on them and can have worn heads, all of which can be solved but it
>> ain’t cheap. The NAAC not having an easy shutoff is an oversight, I agree,
>> and I have installed rear panel shut off switches on a few for customers.
>> >
>> > Dragons, if in any kind of good cosmetic condition and basically work
>> are selling for crazy money today, (just like CR-7s & ZX-9s) with fully
>> restored ones topping $2000.  The OP would likely be better off selling it
>> and buying a fully restored Cassette Deck One or DR-1 with manual playback
>> azimuth adjust for his needs. The W&F is not as good, but cost and
>> performance are still excellent.
>> >
>> > Sent from Xfinity Connect App
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From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Daniel Botelho via Naktalk)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2020 18:31:55 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon flaws
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Aug  9 03:07:36 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Les Morgan via Naktalk)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2020 21:07:36 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon flaws
In-Reply-To: <CAEwmrs7jo8GNVeuf1wE8y7G_M_7OHQqcmoKCwAcjmX2HntVeYA@mail.gmail.com>
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Daniel, I agree.  And I got a real chuckle reading your post, imagining it was Clint Eastwood’s “Dirty Harry” snarling your words to the naysayers!!  Thanks for the smiles.

Les Morgan

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 7, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Daniel Botelho via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Out of all the decks that I enjoy using and working on the most, the Dragon is pretty high on the list.
> 
> Every couple of years, it comes out of my rack for a mechanical overhaul/lubrication.  Sure, it takes a bit of time...but these decks really need the preventative maintenance, especially the capstan bearings.
> 
> To be honest, If you cannot understand the incredible amount of technology (this is going back 40 years!!!) involved with creating this deck that can automatically adjust for azimuth, as well as keep a pair of capstans going at an incredibly precise speed sans belts...AND incorporate an excellent 3 head auto-reverse setup without a reversing head(?!?), manual bias/level adjustments, blank skip, etc.  Please...give the deck to someone who will give the deck the respect it deserves.  
> 
> If you want a deck that can play and record tapes out there for cheap, there's plenty of cheap and cheerful decks out there.  If you don't have the patience or skillset to work on a deck like this, might I suggest you put it back together and give it to someone who will?
> 
> Suffice to say, the Nakamichi Dragon isn't for you...
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 4:13 PM N.van.wijnen at ziggo.nl via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>> After all, we speak about machines from 30 to 40 years old.
>> What a unbelievable quality . Deep bow for nakamichi.
>> 
>> Best for all 
>> Norman
>> 
>> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
>> 
>> > Op 7 aug. 2020 om 15:05 heeft perry via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> het volgende geschreven:
>> > 
>> > Saying a Dragon (or by default, any classic Nakamichi)  has design flaws because it has a tire drive , the grease can get old & sticky, and the drive transistors can get hot is like saying a fine sports car has bad design because the tires wear out too fast, has engine problems because you have to change the oil and faulty brakes because they don’t work if your pads and rotors have to be replaced or you have no brakes. 
>> > 
>> > It’s called maintenance. Lubrications and wear parts do need to be replaced. I will take a classic tire drive over any gear drive by any make because of what is in its name: “Silent Mechanism”.  Gear drives are ambient noisy. Would you own a gear driven turntable? I think not. 
>> > 
>> > The pivot arms are a direct result of the linear vertical lift of the transport via motor, which is more gentle and precise than a solenoid slamming the head block up. I doubt in 1978 Nakamichi was able to determine the life of the grease used, but since synthetics didn’t exist, 40 years would be a stretch. I’m sure they never expected cassettes to be in any kind of viable use 40 years later. 
>> > 
>> > I can count the numbers of 40 plus year old audio gear that work today as they did when built, with no work, on one hand....while making a fist. OK, MAYBE a very few certain turntables, and specific speakers but even most of them need maintenance or replacement of rotted parts. 
>> > 
>> > Yes, the early Dragons are more problem prone & were stupid expensive, (nobody paid list for Naks back in the day) when new and MAY not be able to be restored, at a reasonable cost, but those aren’t the reasons. The smaller capstan diameters, changes to the NAAC electronics design/layout and some mechanic changesbare the issues, and earlier ones have more mileage on them and can have worn heads, all of which can be solved but it ain’t cheap. The NAAC not having an easy shutoff is an oversight, I agree, and I have installed rear panel shut off switches on a few for customers. 
>> > 
>> > Dragons, if in any kind of good cosmetic condition and basically work are selling for crazy money today, (just like CR-7s & ZX-9s) with fully restored ones topping $2000.  The OP would likely be better off selling it and buying a fully restored Cassette Deck One or DR-1 with manual playback azimuth adjust for his needs. The W&F is not as good, but cost and performance are still excellent. 
>> > 
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Aug 14 15:27:02 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Tom Brucker via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 08:27:02 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Richard's modification for manual azimuth on a Dragon
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Nakamichi engineers must have measured skew errors encountered durimy
playback of one cassette. If skew was extremely low, I'm sure a manual CR7
type azimuth control would have been sufficient. NAAC reduces its potential
adjustment range after the lights stop blinking, but it continues to make
small adjustments as tape plays. Any switched defeat, in theory, would
compromise performance.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 11:15 PM Richard L. Hess via Naktalk <
naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

> I have seven Dragons, with four in use in my studio--not every day, but
> once in a while (less work these days as I slow down). The four allow me
> to ingest four tapes in parallel into an RME Fireface UFX II (and if
> they are Dolby, I can use an outboard Dolby 422 and ingest two tapes
> both raw and decoded).
>
> I have four small diecast boxes with little spring SPDT center off
> momentary both sides switches. These connect to the GIZMO connector on
> the Dragon. I've modified that by removing the one wire that is not
> power/ground.
>
> I have modified most of my Dragons in a simple way: The Timer Record
> switch has a spare pole on it. The NAAC motor hot side now runs through
> that. If I depress the switch, it disables NAAC (you don't need NAAC in
> record if you're doing timer record) and connects the NAAC motor to the
> Gizmo connector. There is a current limit resistor in the switch box. In
> this way, I can manually adjust the azimuth using the NAAC motor.
>
> Yes, it has a narrower range than some cassettes I receive to transfer.
> One can offset the manual azimuth adjustment in the Dragon (or I could
> use one of my MR-1s for the purpose). It is relatively easy to reset the
> play head manual azimuth to proper location after transferring the tape
> with the really bad azimuth.
>
> Nakamichi really understood the azimuth problem and this is a brilliant
> solution. I have presented a paper both for the Association of Recorded
> Sound Collections and a slightly different version to the Audio
> Engineering Society. This link is to the expanded version of the ARSC
> presentation.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fdhhv1s3lzclw63/2016-05_HESS_ARSC_Azimuth_Slides_%26_Demos.zip?dl=0
>
> It hopefully explains why, once you get physical azimuth close, you can
> improve signal-to-noise ratio in mono cassettes by summing the channels.
> Electronic "azimuth correction" can better match the two channels for
> even less HF loss. I use that feature in iZotope RX.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Richard
>
>
> On 2020-08-07 3:11 p.m., Wouter Heijke via Naktalk wrote:
> > I bought my (early) Dragon that way once (cheap), the whole Azimuth
> > motor was missing!!
> > I suppose that was the proposed solution to it's problems..
> > Took quite some money to have it properly fixed, so now it is a real
> > Dragon again.
> > I do admit is is the Nak with the most problems, at least mine... one
> > is fixed and after a short time the next one appears!
> >
> > Wouter
> >
> > On 2020-08-07 18:50, Willy Hermann via Naktalk wrote:
> >> Thank you Perry for your comments.  I agree and would not have been as
> >> gentle as your wording.  Attacking the design of a vintage unit and
> >> proposing modifications has, in my decades of experience, been the
> >> excuse used by a tech unable to correctly restore a vintage unit.  I
> >> have always felt that my job as a tech is to restore the deck to as
> >> close to the original as possible.  Some people disagree but I've
> >> always taken a dim view of a 1967 Corvette with flared wheel wells and
> >> oversized tires.
> >> Willy
> >>
> >
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Tue Aug 18 04:28:51 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 02:28:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] Mystery 1000ZXL wire connection from CPU PCB \-A to CPU
	PCB -B
References: <763349804.1910989.1597717731424.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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I am servicing a faulty 1000ZXL unit and there is one black wire connects CPU PCB A trace side CP4 Point ( Initial Reset from Power supply is connected to this point on the component side of this board) to CPU PCB-B. I did not record where in PCB -B this wire was soldered and I noticed the wire had com off from PCB - B  while replacing caps in PCB-A. I could not connect it back as i do not know where it should go?
The 1000ZXL works fine without connecting it to CPU PCB -B back. But i wanted to check the same part in my 1000ZXL Ltd deck for reference. Limited has the wire soldered to IC820 ( CMOS NAND chip) Pin 13/1/12 part in PCB-B. Further i checked the service manuals for LTD as well as regular 1000ZXL , LTD service manual clearly mentions this cable on the Schematics while Regular 1000ZXL service manual schematic does not show this wire connection. Please note that IC 820 pins 1/12/13 are connected to Ground in Regular 1000ZXL while these pins are floating in LTD 1000ZXL and the machine will not work without this wire connection.
Can anybody give some idea about this connection regular 1000ZXL? ( preferably) who had worked on 1000ZXL and having the machine with them on PCB -B location of connection.
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Sep 11 06:59:25 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (s b via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 04:59:25 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Strange motor behaviour (MR-2)
Message-ID: <DM6PR06MB396364CA74B14E903B922F2BC9240@DM6PR06MB3963.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi
My MR-2 was in storage for a long time and i decided to fire it up again. However, on pressing play, the head plate does not rise, the capstan spins for a while then auto stops and the reel motor spins in the reverse (as in, instead of the take-up spool, the supply spool spins in the reverse) again for a short while and then auto stops.
Rewind or fast forward does not run.
I've got belts and idler tyres on order, just wondering if the experts could give me a heads up as to where to start trouble-shooting.

Thanks and have a great day.
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From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (s b via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 05:05:23 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Pinch rollers
Message-ID: <DM6PR06MB3963E5612BFA6A74D9F72831C9240@DM6PR06MB3963.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi,
I was talking to Gregory Calo of Dynamic Technology group, and wanted to know if the pinch roller rubber specs for the MR-2 and DR-2 are the same as the classic decks ? Any information on this would be appreciated and help with the availability of the rollers as required.
Thanks and regards
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Sep 13 03:10:04 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Tom Brucker via Naktalk)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 20:10:04 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Pinch rollers
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR06MB3963E5612BFA6A74D9F72831C9240@DM6PR06MB3963.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR06MB3963E5612BFA6A74D9F72831C9240@DM6PR06MB3963.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAAqwSUamxAJhTkUZTHG5yLe+xpDMWtJgA8-P_fa2VMs14zaaMA@mail.gmail.com>

Classic deck rollers are different. The two rollers are different diameters
following the diffused resonance principles.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 12:22 AM s b via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
> I was talking to Gregory Calo of Dynamic Technology group, and wanted to
> know if the pinch roller rubber specs for the MR-2 and DR-2 are the same as
> the classic decks ? Any information on this would be appreciated and help
> with the availability of the rollers as required.
> Thanks and regards
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Sep 13 15:18:25 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (perry via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 09:18:25 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Pinch roller rubber
Message-ID: <e0ec5a36-125e-447b-85b8-262da4bcf6b9@Perrys-iphone>

I believe he meant the durometer and hardness of the rubber itself, not the size. As far as I can tell, the actual rubber is the same. I don’t know of anyone that made a better, longer lasting pinch roller rubber than the ones used by Nakamichi.

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Sep 14 19:31:11 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Vesselin Uzunov via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 13:31:11 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Pinch roller rubber
In-Reply-To: <e0ec5a36-125e-447b-85b8-262da4bcf6b9@Perrys-iphone>
References: <e0ec5a36-125e-447b-85b8-262da4bcf6b9@Perrys-iphone>
Message-ID: <E0EE5399-06C2-464B-B5FD-3D17DA3F4215@yahoo.com>

Classic mechanism Nakamichi decks have different diameter on their pinch rollers. The hardiness of their rubber was correctly chosen by Nakamichi’s designers.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2020, at 14:28, perry via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
> 
> I believe he meant the durometer and hardness of the rubber itself, not the size. As far as I can tell, the actual rubber is the same. I don’t know of anyone that made a better, longer lasting pinch roller rubber than the ones used by Nakamichi. 
> 
> Sent from Xfinity Connect App
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Sep 14 19:44:02 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Tom Brucker via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 12:44:02 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Pinch roller rubber
In-Reply-To: <E0EE5399-06C2-464B-B5FD-3D17DA3F4215@yahoo.com>
References: <e0ec5a36-125e-447b-85b8-262da4bcf6b9@Perrys-iphone>
 <E0EE5399-06C2-464B-B5FD-3D17DA3F4215@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAAqwSUYU1p7EjOzEcv0tBVtBwEPrOfBsCa0cERNLphm=28atnQ@mail.gmail.com>

I agree, the rubber composition seems to be identical.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 12:31 PM Vesselin Uzunov via Naktalk <
naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

> Classic mechanism Nakamichi decks have different diameter on their pinch
> rollers. The hardiness of their rubber was correctly chosen by Nakamichi’s
> designers.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 13, 2020, at 14:28, perry via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I believe he meant the durometer and hardness of the rubber itself, not
> the size. As far as I can tell, the actual rubber is the same. I don’t know
> of anyone that made a better, longer lasting pinch roller rubber than the
> ones used by Nakamichi.
> >
> > Sent from Xfinity Connect App
> >
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Tue Sep 15 08:11:51 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (s b via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 06:11:51 +0000
Subject: [naktalk] Strange motor behaviour (MR-2)
Message-ID: <DM6PR06MB39630502FC0C619576011BECC9200@DM6PR06MB3963.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Gentlemen, any helpful information regarding the MR-2 situation would be greatly appreciated.
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Sep 20 12:07:59 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Ural Durusu via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 13:07:59 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon NAAC
Message-ID: <D6801CB7-4CAE-4647-B552-E019CA629E6C@ttmail.com>

Hi,
The azimuth indicator swings continuously and sometimes lost the track. Even if it finds the track, continues to swing while reverse playback. There is no clicking sound and no problem during autoreverse. Reverse playback starts, reverse direction arrow blinks then stops, after a while swinging starts but direction indicator is not blinking. 

If you advice me to solve this problem I will be glad.

Best regards 
Ural Durusu 


iPhone’umdan gönderildi

From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Sun Sep 20 19:05:19 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Richard L. Hess via Naktalk)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 13:05:19 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon NAAC
In-Reply-To: <D6801CB7-4CAE-4647-B552-E019CA629E6C@ttmail.com>
References: <D6801CB7-4CAE-4647-B552-E019CA629E6C@ttmail.com>
Message-ID: <85940440-877d-6c7d-f6c4-c65505fce35d@richardhess.com>

I assume you have carefully but thoroughly cleaned the play head with 
more than a cleaning tape...

On 2020-09-20 6:07 a.m., Ural Durusu via Naktalk wrote:
> Hi,
> The azimuth indicator swings continuously and sometimes lost the track. Even if it finds the track, continues to swing while reverse playback. There is no clicking sound and no problem during autoreverse. Reverse playback starts, reverse direction arrow blinks then stops, after a while swinging starts but direction indicator is not blinking.
>
> If you advice me to solve this problem I will be glad.
>
> Best regards
> Ural Durusu

-- 
Richard L. Hess                   email: richard at richardhess.com
Aurora, Ontario, Canada           http://www.richardhess.com/
http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm
Quality tape transfers -- even from hard-to-play tapes.


From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Sep 21 16:39:46 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (perry via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 10:39:46 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon NAAC
Message-ID: <8b0e5f10-4752-4713-9ee4-0030c4cdad53@Perrys-iphone>

It would help to know the serial number, and what, if any service has been performed. Sensitivity of the NAAC is adjusted by replacing a capacitor in the circuit. I do not recall which cap off the top of my head.

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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Sep 21 22:36:02 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Ural Durusu via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 23:36:02 +0300
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon NAAC
In-Reply-To: <8b0e5f10-4752-4713-9ee4-0030c4cdad53@Perrys-iphone>
References: <8b0e5f10-4752-4713-9ee4-0030c4cdad53@Perrys-iphone>
Message-ID: <466EBDB7-97F5-493F-988D-CF4A728FF2DB@ttmail.com>

The serial number is A801 23566. It was serviced 6 years ago.

Ural

iPhone’umdan gönderildi

> perry via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> şunları yazdı (21 Eyl 2020 23:04):
> 
> It would help to know the serial number, and what, if any service has been performed. Sensitivity of the NAAC is adjusted by replacing a capacitor in the circuit. I do not recall which cap off the top of my head. 
> 
> Sent from Xfinity Connect App
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Tue Sep 22 15:52:44 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Tom Brucker via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 08:52:44 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon NAAC
In-Reply-To: <D6801CB7-4CAE-4647-B552-E019CA629E6C@ttmail.com>
References: <D6801CB7-4CAE-4647-B552-E019CA629E6C@ttmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAqwSUb3QH_8OP1DLAdireeoVyFt=nNM0SA88T+uW=Wph7nxKg@mail.gmail.com>

Usually tape guides are causing the tape edge to waver, looking full
contact with the head. Look at the bottom edge with a mirror tape to
determine which guide needs adjusting.

On Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 5:08 AM Ural Durusu via Naktalk <
naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> The azimuth indicator swings continuously and sometimes lost the track.
> Even if it finds the track, continues to swing while reverse playback.
> There is no clicking sound and no problem during autoreverse. Reverse
> playback starts, reverse direction arrow blinks then stops, after a while
> swinging starts but direction indicator is not blinking.
>
> If you advice me to solve this problem I will be glad.
>
> Best regards
> Ural Durusu
>
>
> iPhone’umdan gönderildi
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Fri Sep 25 11:53:48 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Bob Naylor via Naktalk)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 09:53:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [naktalk] Subscribed
References: <1749142787.617246.1601027628150.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1749142787.617246.1601027628150@mail.yahoo.com>

Wouter, I needed to change my e-mail address so I just re-applied with my new e-mail address, a gmail address.
Thank you, Bob N
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Sep 28 15:39:41 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Jeetendra Varma via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 19:09:41 +0530
Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR10 SERVICE MANUAL needed.
Message-ID: <CABDCjr=vXikSdjA16-kBfh021f8X9eUf3NyDb1K9on+z1hHxEw@mail.gmail.com>

My name is Jeetendra from Mumbai India; I am a fan of Nakamichi and
Recently I was duped by a online seller having me buy into a Nakamichi DR10
model. (Made in Malaysia), This deck wasn't working but only the Power On
was shown to me by the seller. I have purchased it in good faith, But it
doesn't work and was opened previously by a untrained person. I have now
found a person who is able to get it fixed but he needs the SERVICE MANUAL
without which is impossible.
Could you please help me with the matter other wise I would have to junk
it😭 , It's very difficult to find anyone in India for this deck.

I would be highly obliged if you could help me with this matter please.
Waiting for your kind reply.


Thanking you,
Your sincerely,
Jeetendra Varma.
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Sep 28 21:27:21 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Tom Brucker via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 14:27:21 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR10 SERVICE MANUAL needed.
In-Reply-To: <CABDCjr=vXikSdjA16-kBfh021f8X9eUf3NyDb1K9on+z1hHxEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABDCjr=vXikSdjA16-kBfh021f8X9eUf3NyDb1K9on+z1hHxEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAqwSUbmzkBK=t1jk_VyezdWtxpU9WciGK5cpBnJoCrmKwgR7Q@mail.gmail.com>

I believe the BX300 manual can be used for the DR10.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 8:45 AM Jeetendra Varma via Naktalk <
naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

> My name is Jeetendra from Mumbai India; I am a fan of Nakamichi and
> Recently I was duped by a online seller having me buy into a Nakamichi DR10
> model. (Made in Malaysia), This deck wasn't working but only the Power On
> was shown to me by the seller. I have purchased it in good faith, But it
> doesn't work and was opened previously by a untrained person. I have now
> found a person who is able to get it fixed but he needs the SERVICE MANUAL
> without which is impossible.
> Could you please help me with the matter other wise I would have to junk
> it😭 , It's very difficult to find anyone in India for this deck.
>
> I would be highly obliged if you could help me with this matter please.
> Waiting for your kind reply.
>
>
> Thanking you,
> Your sincerely,
> Jeetendra Varma.
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Mon Sep 28 23:28:39 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Bob Naylor via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:28:39 -0400
Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR10 SERVICE MANUAL needed.
In-Reply-To: <CABDCjr=vXikSdjA16-kBfh021f8X9eUf3NyDb1K9on+z1hHxEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABDCjr=vXikSdjA16-kBfh021f8X9eUf3NyDb1K9on+z1hHxEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKfmrpMJmB73supFFpizyjW1Y+uc9kqo87SfEt0hjtcg_cBazw@mail.gmail.com>

Below on hifiengine someone below wrote they used the service manual for a
Nak 1.5. My be some things helpful there.
Lower link is for the manual, $17 US dollars.


https://www.hifiengine.com/manual_library/nakamichi/dr-10.shtml

https://www.servicemanuals.net/NAKAMICHI/DR10/1575718/detail.aspx

Don't give up, you'll get it going.

Bob N, North Carolina

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 9:45 AM Jeetendra Varma via Naktalk <
naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:

> My name is Jeetendra from Mumbai India; I am a fan of Nakamichi and
> Recently I was duped by a online seller having me buy into a Nakamichi DR10
> model. (Made in Malaysia), This deck wasn't working but only the Power On
> was shown to me by the seller. I have purchased it in good faith, But it
> doesn't work and was opened previously by a untrained person. I have now
> found a person who is able to get it fixed but he needs the SERVICE MANUAL
> without which is impossible.
> Could you please help me with the matter other wise I would have to junk
> it😭 , It's very difficult to find anyone in India for this deck.
>
> I would be highly obliged if you could help me with this matter please.
> Waiting for your kind reply.
>
>
> Thanking you,
> Your sincerely,
> Jeetendra Varma.
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Tue Sep 29 01:14:06 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (via Naktalk)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 18:14:06 -0500
Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR10 SERVICE MANUAL needed.
In-Reply-To: <CAAqwSUbmzkBK=t1jk_VyezdWtxpU9WciGK5cpBnJoCrmKwgR7Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAqwSUbmzkBK=t1jk_VyezdWtxpU9WciGK5cpBnJoCrmKwgR7Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C0F765A3-8EAE-4631-8C1B-5CECB74450A8@gmail.com>

Jeetendra 

If you cannot find the manual (my assumption is that the other DR model manuals should work) and are willing to go to Kolkata I have a guy who can fix Naks (right up to Dragons)....I routinely take my Naks to India and get them serviced from him and bring them back.

Also I know there are other folks in Mumbai who can fix as well (if your guy doesn’t workout)

Get with me offline 

Rajiv

>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 8:45 AM Jeetendra Varma via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>> My name is Jeetendra from Mumbai India; I am a fan of Nakamichi and Recently I was duped by a online seller having me buy into a Nakamichi DR10 model. (Made in Malaysia), This deck wasn't working but only the Power On was shown to me by the seller. I have purchased it in good faith, But it doesn't work and was opened previously by a untrained person. I have now found a person who is able to get it fixed but he needs the SERVICE MANUAL without which is impossible.
>> Could you please help me with the matter other wise I would have to junk it😭 , It's very difficult to find anyone in India for this deck. 
>> 
>> I would be highly obliged if you could help me with this matter please. Waiting for your kind reply.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanking you,
>> Your sincerely, 
>> Jeetendra Varma.
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From naktalk at lists.naks.com  Tue Sep 29 07:30:39 2020
From: naktalk at lists.naks.com (Norman van wijnen via Naktalk)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 07:30:39 +0200
Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR10 SERVICE MANUAL needed.
In-Reply-To: <C0F765A3-8EAE-4631-8C1B-5CECB74450A8@gmail.com>
References: <C0F765A3-8EAE-4631-8C1B-5CECB74450A8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DEDEA60A-E6C9-4796-8219-A0D5C005936E@gmail.com>

Hi,
Use the Dr2 service manual
It is the same machine
Norman

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

> Op 29 sep. 2020 om 07:08 heeft via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> 
> Jeetendra 
> 
> If you cannot find the manual (my assumption is that the other DR model manuals should work) and are willing to go to Kolkata I have a guy who can fix Naks (right up to Dragons)....I routinely take my Naks to India and get them serviced from him and bring them back.
> 
> Also I know there are other folks in Mumbai who can fix as well (if your guy doesn’t workout)
> 
> Get with me offline 
> 
> Rajiv
> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 8:45 AM Jeetendra Varma via Naktalk <naktalk at lists.naks.com> wrote:
>>> My name is Jeetendra from Mumbai India; I am a fan of Nakamichi and Recently I was duped by a online seller having me buy into a Nakamichi DR10 model. (Made in Malaysia), This deck wasn't working but only the Power On was shown to me by the seller. I have purchased it in good faith, But it doesn't work and was opened previously by a untrained person. I have now found a person who is able to get it fixed but he needs the SERVICE MANUAL without which is impossible.
>>> Could you please help me with the matter other wise I would have to junk it😭 , It's very difficult to find anyone in India for this deck. 
>>> 
>>> I would be highly obliged if you could help me with this matter please. Waiting for your kind reply.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanking you,
>>> Your sincerely, 
>>> Jeetendra Varma.
>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========
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